<pimpbot> changes: hixie: Update the dropzone='' syntax to use string: and file: rather than s: and f:. No point being terse here. (whatwg r6873) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Dec/0044.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15193] New: draggable and dropzone regions require labels <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0762.html> 4** [Bug 15193] draggable and dropzone regions require labels <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0763.html> 4** [Bug 15192] New: section 8.1.4 Character references; section 8.2.2.2 Character encodings In section 8.2.2.2, we say, "User agents must at a minimum support t
<pimpbot> changes: sam: Fix typos <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Dec/0046.html> 4** hixie: Change atob() to ignore whitespace. This is a potentially breaking change, but Opera has implemented it for a while and doesn't seem to have had any problems resulting. (whatwg r6874) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Dec/0045.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15195] New: apparently incorrect note about violation of Unicode wrt stripping leading BOM <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0764.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15202] New: The method and formmethod content attributes are enumerated attributes with the following keywords and states: The keyword get, mapping to the state GET, indicating the HTTP GET method. The keyword post, mapping to the state POST, indicating the HTTP POST <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0765.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15203] New: http://www.hisuprashoes.com/new-supra-womens-tk-society-purple-yellow-p-603.html New Supra http://www.hisuprashoes.com/womens-supra-tk-society-c-84.html purple supra http://www.hisuprashoes.com/supra-bandit-purple-shoes-p-457.html Supra Bandit Purple Sh <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0766.html>
<pimpbot> planet: Jesper Kristensen: Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2011-12-14 <11http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/731>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14890] For invalid Date, the terminology here seems to be "undefined" insted of "null" according to WebIDL, and the ECMAScript "null" value should never reach here according to the IDL description of attribute "valueAsDate". For readiblity, I suggest we just s/i <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0767.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15202] The method and formmethod content attributes are enumerated attributes with the following keywords and states: The keyword get, mapping to the state GET, indicating the HTTP GET method. The keyword post, mapping to the state POST, indicating the HTTP POST <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0768.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12984] Contributions to HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0769.html>
<pimpbot> planet: Anne van Kesteren: WHATWG Weekly: Stream API and better autocomplete <11http://blog.whatwg.org/weekly-stream-autocomplete>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15207] New: In the TrackEventInit dictionary the member should be named 'track' and not 'Track'. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0771.html> 4** [Bug 15207] <track> In the TrackEventInit dictionary the member should be named 'track' and not 'Track'. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0770.html> 4** [Bug 15193] draggable and dropzone regions require labels <11http://li
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15208] New: s/invokation/invocation/ ? <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0773.html>
<pimpbot> changes: steve: minor change to wording to correct grammar <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Dec/0047.html>
<pimpbot> planet: Mozilla: Mozilla Announces Firefox Flicks <11http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2011/12/15/mozilla-announces-firefox-flicks/>
<CIA-1> validator: 03Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi> * e8b16b743a88 r718 10htmlparser/src/nu/validator/htmlparser/impl/Tokenizer.java: Mozilla bug 535530 - Transition to the return state eagerly when a semicolon has matched when tokenizing a named character reference. r=smaug.
<CIA-1> validator: 03Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi> * 5b026546075d r719 10htmlparser/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Mozilla bug 703965 - Adjust headers for the C++ translation.
<pimpbot> Bug http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=535530 was not found.
<pimpbot> Bug http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=703965 was not found.
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15140] The video element's poster attribute requires clarification in relation to precedence <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0774.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15140] The video element's poster attribute requires clarification in relation to precedence <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0775.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15211] New: (editorial) In step 16, remove duplicate URLs in <var>file list</var> as well. (It should be apparent so whether entry merging actually affects <var>file list</var> is sort of editorial nit I guess.) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0776.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15213] New: Drag-and-drop processing model <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0780.html> 4** [Bug 15213] Drag-and-drop processing model <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0779.html> 4** [Bug 15212] New: If a text selection is identified for a drag operation <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0777.html> 4** [Bug 15212] If a text selec
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11240] Canvas support accessible selection position tracking independent of Focus Ring tracking <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0788.html> 4** [Bug 10853] HTML5 lacks a verbose description mechanism <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0787.html> 4** [Bug 10774] fallback for accesskey insufficiently defined <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/20
<rubys> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Date: 15 December 2011
<mjs> do we have a scribe designated?
<paulc> Nope.
<scribe> ScribeNick: hober
mjs: there are none
ISSUE-190?
<trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-190: Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: this is about one of the examples in the <figure> section of the spec
ISSUE-191?
<trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-191: Replace/complement and elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: based on discussion in a
bug
... <ins> and <del> used to show edit history
ISSUE-192?
<trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-192: title attribute definition does not match reality - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: steve argues that the way title="" behaves in browsers doesn't match the spec
ISSUE-133?
<trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: CfC closed 12/7
... had multiple change proposals, all but one dropped
ISSUE-174?
<trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: only received one change
proposal, no counters
... CfC passed
ISSUE-177?
<trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-177: References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: IETF prefers I-Ds to be
cited as works in progress
... Going to CfC now
ISSUE-180?
<trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-180: Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: call for alternate or counter proposals closed
<scribe> ... new iframe sandbox directive that would allow popups to be displayed
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: editor has
expressed willingness to adopt proposal
... likely to be closed by amicable consensus
mjs: there aren't any
ISSUE-179?
<trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-179: {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: call for proposals closes
12/22
... lots of discussion at TPAC on this issue
<glenn> believes the WebTV IG will be forwarding proposal to HTML WG
<glenn> regarding adding specific AV params
ISSUE-177?
<trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-177: References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs reports on what glenn said in irc
ack
mjs: ISSUE-177 CfC closes
12/28
... any objection needs to be accompanied with a change
proposal
<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0079.html
<pimpbot> Title: CfC: Close ISSUE-177: ietf-id-wip by Amicable Resolution from Paul Cotton on 2011-12-12 (public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
ISSUE-177 CfC closes 12/20, not on the 28th as claimed in the agenda
ISSUE-190?
<trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-190: Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: call for proposals closes
1/21
... allowing a little extra time due to the holiday break
ISSUE-191?
<trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-191: Replace/complement and elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-192?
<trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-192: title attribute definition does not match reality - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: there aren't any
ISSUE-133?
<trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: was resolved by amicable consensus
ISSUE-174?
<trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: also passed by amicable consensus
ISSUE-131?
<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-131: Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
Re-opening of ISSUE-131 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0059.html
<pimpbot> Title: Re: Request to re-open issue 131 from Sam Ruby on 2011-12-09 (public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
mjs: received a change proposal
for a portion of the original decision
... we expect lots of other proposals challenging other aspects
of the decision
... we vacated the previous decision
... we'll need someone to provide a proposal defending what's
in the spec
... may split into multiple issues
... the issue covered several changes, thematically related but
logically separable
... please help us get a stronger resolution this time
Vacated time portion of revert request for r6783 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0058.html
<pimpbot> Title: Re: noted 3 issues re: time/data (was Re: minutes for HTML WG f2f, 2011-11-04, part 1) from Sam Ruby on 2011-12-09 (public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
mjs: mailing list discussion
revealed rough consensus on direction for <time>
... so we recinded that aspect of the revert request
... still ongoing discussion of <data> and pubdate=""
Open Web Platform Weekly Summary for 2011-12-05 - 2011-12-11 http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/12/open_web_platform_weekly_summa.html
<pimpbot> Title: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-12-05 - 2011-12-11 - W3C Blog (at www.w3.org)
mjs: a number of HTML related items in there
Fresh editor's drafts http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0085.html
<pimpbot> Title: Re: Is the W3C version of the spec branched or stuck at Nov 04, was: Revert request for r6783 from Sam Ruby on 2011-12-13 (public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
mjs: WG members have noted that
editor's drafts weren't updating
... they are now relatively freshly updated
... canvas spec is at 12/9, html at 12/15
HTML Speech XG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0080.html
<pimpbot> Title: HTML Speech XG Completes, seeks feedback for eventual standardization from Dan Burnett on 2011-12-12 (public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
mjs: Speech XG want input from
the HTML WG on their work
... strongly encourage WG members to go over their work &
provide feedback
Clarke: we intend to submit 2
proposals
... one is for network-level error message reporting
... will help provide better service
... the other proposal is for adaptive bitrate parameters,
feedback, and error messages
... we discussed it in our meeting today
... expect to submit something by the end of the day
<rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html#change-proposal
<pimpbot> Title: HTML Working Group Decision Policy (at dev.w3.org)
Clarke: do our proposals need to be in a particular format?
mjs: for discussion in the group, any format is fine
<paulc> Can I suggest that the proposals indicate exactly what bugs they are speaking to.
mjs: if you want it to be a change proposal, should conform to the decision policy's description of what goes in CPs
paulc: do your wiki pages & proposals indicate precisely which bugs you're responding to?
Clarke: not currently
paulc: that would be really
helpful for the WG
... re: format, earlier is better, so don't spend too much time
wordsmithing
... does this tell the WG what changes we want to make and
why
rubys: if you cover the what & why, you're 90% of the way to a CP
<Laura> What is the Chairs' plan to move on ISSUE-30 longdesc? Is there a timeline?
<Laura> Paul had previously mentioned that the Chairs had estimated that they would be finished reviewing proposals on Dec 11.
<Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Nov/0227.html
<pimpbot> Title: RE: [text] HTML-A11Y Text, TUES 29 NOV, 2011, 17:00 Z, (1PM Eastern), 60 min from Paul Cotton on 2011-11-29 (public-html-a11y@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
mjs: we've reviewed one of the
change proposals
... review of jonas' proposal is almost ready to go
... we hope the final review will be out before the holiday
break
mjs: any volunteers? meeting will be on 12/22
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