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HTML Weekly Teleconference

01 Dec 2011

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<trackbot> Date: 01 December 2011

<scribe> ScribeNick: hober

ACTION items due by Thursday, December 1

ACTION-207?

<trackbot> ACTION-207 -- Paul Cotton to confirm that change proposal for av_param is still active -- due 2011-12-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/207

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-207: Confirm that change proposal for av_param is still active - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: paul not able to make the call today
... will push the action back a week

ACTION-208?

<trackbot> ACTION-208 -- Michael[tm] Smith to sync up with Peter St. Andre on URL processing draft and report back in two weeks -- due 2011-12-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/208

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-208: Sync up with Peter St. Andre on URL processing draft and report back in two weeks - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0194.html

<pimpbot> Title: "How Browsers Process URLs" aka "URL processing spec": HTML WG deliverable or I18N WG deliverable? from Michael[tm] Smith on 2011-11-21 (public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)

<MFoladare> MFoladare is 7323681000 from AT&T

rubys: MikeSmith not on call, public status update linked above
... we'll close this action

New Issues This Week

ISSUE-172?

<trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-172: restore as an optional element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: was raised prematurely, re-resolved and raised again

ISSUE-182?

<trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-182: Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

ISSUE-183?

<trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-183: Enhance and simplify the time element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

ISSUE-184?

<trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-184: Add a data element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

ISSUE-185?

<trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-185: Drop the pubdate attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: same underlying bug being pursused as three different issues

Items Closed Last Week

ISSUE-174?

<trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: call for counter proposals closed

ISSUE-181?

<trackbot> ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-181: remove remains of "sidebar" link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: got one proposal

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0192.html

<pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal for ISSUE-181, was: ISSUE-181: remove-sidebar - Chairs Solicit Proposals from Julian Reschke on 2011-11-20 (public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)

Items Closing This Week

ISSUE-179?

<trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-179: {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: Change Proposals due by today
... related to ACTION-207

<glenn> nothing new from me (179)

Items Closing Next Week

ISSUE-177?

<trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-177: References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

ISSUE-180?

<trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-180: Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: Alternate or Counter Proposals due for both of them by Dec 10

New Calls this week

ISSUE-133?

<trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: Call for Consensus closes Dec 7
... we have an updated CP that it looks like we'll have consensus on

ISSUE-172?

<trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-172: restore as an optional element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: Call for Change Proposals closes Jan 7
... additional time given due to holidays

ISSUE-174?

<trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: Call for Consensus closes Dec 7

ISSUE-181?

<trackbot> ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-181: remove remains of "sidebar" link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: Call for Counter or Alternate Change Proposals closes Jan 7

ISSUE-182?

<trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-182: Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: Call for Proposals closes Jan 7

ISSUE-183?

<trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-183: Enhance and simplify the time element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

ISSUE-184?

<trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-184: Add a data element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

ISSUE-185?

<trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-185: Drop the pubdate attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: Call for Proposals on all three closes Jan 7

<tantek> what was the feedback?

rubys: we have proposals on all three, feedback has been posted for them
... feedback was posted on the list
... links to feedback are in the agenda

<tantek> thanks hober

New Surveys this week

rubys: there are none

Decisions this week

rubys: there are none

Other Business

Open Web Platform Weekly Summary (2011-11-14 to 2011-11-20)

http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/11/openweb-weekly-20.html

<pimpbot> Title: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-11-14 - 2011-11-20 - W3C Blog (at www.w3.org)

<rubys> http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/11/openweb-weekly-21.html

<pimpbot> Title: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-11-21 - 2011-11-28 - W3C Blog (at www.w3.org)

rubys: Dec meeting schedule
... no meeting on dec 29th
... otherwise dec. weekly meetings will proceed as normal

ack Julian:

Julian: do we have an update about the status of the html wg / whatwg specs being out of sync?

rubys: we are actively working it
... chairs are meeting tomorrow (friday) on this
... jeff jaffe is aware of this
... we're looking at 9 separate ways to deal with this
... we don't have a resolution yet, but it is a priority for us to deal with
... any other other business?

tantek: looking at 3 <time>-related issues mentioned
... fourth issue didn't get recorded

<tantek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0186.html

<pimpbot> Title: Re: noted 3 issues re: time/data (was Re: minutes for HTML WG f2f, 2011-11-04, part 1) from Tantek Çelik on 2011-11-19 (public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)

tantek: sam had noted the enhancements hixie made to <time> were beyond the original proposal

<tantek> in short:

<tantek> 4. Enhance the time element to fully represent the date time types

<tantek> that the input element can capture. Most of these are also covered by

<tantek> issue 1, with the exception of year-week only dates and thus this is a

<tantek> delta issue from that issue with a corresponding delta change

<tantek> proposal:

<tantek> http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/time_input_match

<pimpbot> Title: User:Tantekelik/time input match - W3C Wiki (at www.w3.org)

rubys: happy to include this in the first issue, or as a new issue

tantek: fewer issues are better
... talked about this at f2f
... i'd prefer to keep this separate, since the first issue got at least rough consensus at the f2f

rubys: we did get pushback on the list from people not at the f2f

tantek: on that specific issue (year-week)

rubys: not sure

tantek: the pushback i saw on-list was primarily related to pubdate="" and <data>

rubys: i'll get back to you

<Zakim> tantek, you wanted to mention 4th issue related to time

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rubys: any volunteers?

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