<scribe> scribe: Ashok

<scribe> scribenick: Ashok

Convene

<noah> Minutes of 27 October: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/10/27-minutes

RESOLUTION: Minites of 27 October are approved

<noah> Minutes of TPAC 31 - 4 November: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/10/31-agenda

<noah> Minutes of 10 November: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/10-minutes

RESOLUTION: Minutes of 4 November are approved
... Minutes of 10 November are approved

No call next week -- U.S. Thanksgiving!

<noah> DanA probably can't scribe on 1 Dec. Possible regrets.

Next call December 1

<noah> ACTION-630?

<trackbot> ACTION-630 -- Ashok Malhotra to draft note to Web apps on Appcache/local store relationship, post to tag@w3.org for TAG approval Due: 2011-11-11 -- due 2011-11-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/630

<noah> close ACTION-630

<trackbot> ACTION-630 Draft note to Web apps on Appcache/local store relationship, post to tag@w3.org for TAG approval Due: 2011-11-11 closed

<JeniT> +1

+1

Noah: TAG Election: encourage AC representatives to put forward nominations

Henry: can I have 5 minutes to report on Domain Persistence Workshop
... looking good but Semantic Web community is under-represented

<noah> ...and open data

Henry: we need people from that community

<DKA> +1 to Hadley

Discussion of possible Workshop attendees

ISSUE-60 (webApplicationState-60): Web Applications: Client-side state

Noah: Last draft was 9/30 comments allowed until 11/15
... we had 2 comments
... we discussed the two comments
... Incorporate the comments and ask commentors if they agree

Ashok: I will create a new draft by Dec 1

<noah> ACTION-597?

<trackbot> ACTION-597 -- Ashok Malhotra to publish a final draft for public review of the finding on Application State -- due 2011-09-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/597

Noah: Send the draft to the two commentors for their approval

<noah> ACTION-597 Due 2011-12-01

<trackbot> ACTION-597 Publish a final draft for public review of the finding on Application State due date now 2011-12-01

Noah: Yves, please check product page for client-side state

SPDY

<noah> ACTION-626?

<trackbot> ACTION-626 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of how, if at all, TAG should continue to be involved with SPDY -- due 2011-11-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/626

Noah: How should TAG be involved?
... concerns are being raised about HTTP 1.1 as it is being used today.
... SPDY is one possible solution
... Should we endorse SPDY as an answer?

<noah> Really, mainly Web apps? I thought it was also things like NYT home page which have tons of resources.

Yves: Characterize the problem ... HTTP overhead is an issue
... safety of data is another issue

<noah> From TPAC minutes quoting Mike Belshe:

<noah> "83 connections for the NYT home page puts really bad pressure on NAT"

Yves: How is Web being used, what are the problems

<noah> YL: Performance of HTTP is one aspect of what SPDY addresses, other is pervasive use of SSL with SPDY

Jeni: What does SPDY do and what other options are there?

<noah> Note that Jim Gettys has suggested that SPDY-like protocols help with "buffer bloat"

Jeni: how much is W3C role and how much is IETF

<noah> NM: At TPAC, I think there was sentiment for a significnt W3C role

Noah: At TPAC people felt W3C should have a role

<Yves> it has effect in the whole stack, so yes we should track this, but it doesn't mean that the TAG will do the work

Dan: People including Tim wanted strong participation from W3C

<JeniT> ACTION-618?

<trackbot> ACTION-618 -- Yves Lafon to with help from Larry, Noah, and Jeni to prepare analysis on development around HTTP, like spdy, ssl use, websocket... -- due 2011-11-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/618

Yves: I have an action to create a small document about SPDY and friends

Noah: Success would be if we can explain to W3C management what the opportunities are and what we recommend

Dan: This is urgent ... Google has deployed into several applications

<Yves> amazon silk also will use spdy

Dan: and several others

Noah: They said they were ready to put this into Standards space and it may change in the process

<noah> ACTION-626?

<trackbot> ACTION-626 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of how, if at all, TAG should continue to be involved with SPDY -- due 2011-11-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/626

Overdue Action Items

<noah> close ACTION-626

<trackbot> ACTION-626 Schedule discussion of how, if at all, TAG should continue to be involved with SPDY closed

Noah: Close 626 ... we have followup action to Yves

<noah> ACTION-572?

<trackbot> ACTION-572 -- Yves Lafon to look at appcache in HTML5 -- due 2011-10-04 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572

<noah> ACTION-572 Due 2011-11-29

<trackbot> ACTION-572 Look at appcache in HTML5 due date now 2011-11-29

<noah> ACTION-404?

<trackbot> ACTION-404 -- Yves Lafon to track HTML WG ISSUE-27 rel-ownership -- due 2011-09-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/404

<noah> ACTION-404 Due 2012-02-07

<trackbot> ACTION-404 Track HTML WG ISSUE-27 rel-ownership due date now 2012-02-07

<noah> ACTION-523?

<trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah) build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-08-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523

Ashok: We need to think about our direction on client-side storage

Noah: Can you write mail framing the discussion?

<noah> ACTION: Ashok Frame issues around client-side storage work Due 2011-12-06 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/17-tagmem-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-632 - Frame issues around client-side storage work Due 2011-12-06 [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2011-11-24].

<noah> ACTION-632 Due 2011-12-06

<trackbot> ACTION-632 Frame issues around client-side storage work Due 2011-12-06 due date now 2011-12-06

<noah> ACTION-523 Due 2011-12-20

<trackbot> ACTION-523 (with help from Noah) build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered on client side storage due date now 2011-12-20

<noah> ACTION-475?

<trackbot> ACTION-475 -- Ashok Malhotra to write finding on client-side storage, DanA to review -- due 2011-08-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/475

<noah> AM: We should close pending analysis of what we want to do in this area, see ACTION-632

<noah> Product page: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/clientsidestorage.html

Ashok: Shall we close this? Overtaken by 623.

<noah> This proposed product page has not yet been reviewed by Ashok Malhotra or other TAG members

<noah> close ACTION-475

<trackbot> ACTION-475 Write finding on client-side storage, DanA to review closed

<noah> ACTION-528?

<trackbot> ACTION-528 -- Henry Thompson to create and get consensus on a product page and tracker product page for persistence of names -- due 2011-10-04 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528

<noah> HT: I should get back to that.

<noah> ACTION-528 Due 2011-11-29

<trackbot> ACTION-528 Create and get consensus on a product page and tracker product page for persistence of names due date now 2011-11-29

<noah> ACTION-617 Due 2011-12-15

<trackbot> ACTION-617 Work with Yves to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track due date now 2011-12-15

<noah> ACTION-501?

<trackbot> ACTION-501 -- Noah Mendelsohn to follow up on whether GeoLocation finds reasonable answer on giving permission per site/app etc [self-assigned] -- due 2011-10-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/501

<noah> AM: They've gone to last call.

<noah> AM: Or about to...

<noah> AM: Want our feedback....

<noah> Assigning 501 to Ashok.

<JeniT> AM: Is there anyone else interested in this; it has to do with privacy?

<noah> ACTION-501?

<trackbot> ACTION-501 -- Ashok Malhotra to follow up on whether GeoLocation finds reasonable answer on giving permission per site/app etc [self-assigned] -- due 2011-12-06 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/501

<noah> ACTION: Ashok to drive TAG review of Geolocation last call Due 2011-12-06 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/17-tagmem-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-633 - Drive TAG review of Geolocation last call Due 2011-12-06 [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2011-11-24].

<noah> ACTION-633 Due 2011-12-06

<trackbot> ACTION-633 Drive TAG review of Geolocation last call Due 2011-12-06 due date now 2011-12-06

Noah: Question was "are permissions by site or by URI stem etc."

<noah> ACTION-602?

<trackbot> ACTION-602 -- Noah Mendelsohn to work with IETF liaisons to propose possible TAG participation in IETF Paris -- due 2011-11-04 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/602

<noah> ACTION-621?

<trackbot> ACTION-621 -- Noah Mendelsohn to with Dan to figure out whether we want a TAG bof at TPAC -- due 2011-10-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/621

<noah> close ACTION-621

<trackbot> ACTION-621 With Dan to figure out whether we want a TAG bof at TPAC closed

<noah> ACTION-601?

<trackbot> ACTION-601 -- Noah Mendelsohn to document in product pages wrapup of HTML5 last call work, leading to HTML next review -- due 2011-10-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/601

<noah> ACTION-601 Due 2011-12-13

<trackbot> ACTION-601 Document in product pages wrapup of HTML5 last call work, leading to HTML next review due date now 2011-12-13

<noah> ACTION-591?

<trackbot> ACTION-591 -- Noah Mendelsohn to ping Norm end of Sept. on revised HTML/XML report per discussion on 1 Sept 2011 -- due 2011-10-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/591

<noah> ACTION-591 Due 2011-11-23

<trackbot> ACTION-591 Ping Norm end of Sept. on revised HTML/XML report per discussion on 1 Sept 2011 due date now 2011-11-23

<noah> ACTION-536?

<trackbot> ACTION-536 -- Noah Mendelsohn to work with HST to identify a way forward wrt interaction -- due 2011-10-11 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/536

<noah> close ACTION-536

<trackbot> ACTION-536 Work with HST to identify a way forward wrt interaction closed

<noah> ACTION-619?

<trackbot> ACTION-619 -- Henry Thompson to report on status of 3023bis after TPAC -- due 2011-11-15 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/619

<noah> ACTION-619 Due 2011-12-13

<trackbot> ACTION-619 Report on status of 3023bis after TPAC due date now 2011-12-13

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