HTML-A11y Bug triage telcon

20 Sep 2011

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Marco_Ranon, Joshue_O_Connor
LĂ©onie Watson
Gez, MichaelC


<LeonieWatson> agenda: this

<MichaelC> scribe: Gez

Tagged bugs review

MC: No new input

Untagged bugs review

<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13498

MC 10 out of 70 bugs require extra input. Starting with 13498

MC I think it's equivalent to onload - DOM is fully loaded. Not sure if this has an accessibility impact. Could effect AT, but not sure this would be more than any other user agent

MC We agree this isn't an accessibility issue

<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13503

MC About video ready state. Seems it might be related to the document ready state. Probably nothing specific to AT

LW Good point about syncronisation

MC: Mark it for the media team

LW: This could be a big problem, so should be tracked

MC: Remember to bring this up on Thursday to bring to attention

<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13523

MC: Example of creating a checkbox with li elements inside. Can't tell if the bug is asking for that pattern, or objecting to that pattern
... Discard, as doesn't make sense

<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13524

MC: Related target should not be null for drag mouse out.
... Add this for tracking

<MichaelC_> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13534

MC: About events model. Not sure if this is an accessibility issue
... Will ask accessibility task force

<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13544

MC: Video: <track> element should allow support of more than one format without content sniffing
... This is an accessibility issue

<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13556

MC: why does the 'placeholder label option' on a select have to be the first 'option' within the list of options? could it be the first option with value="" within the list of options instead?

LW: Affects everyone the same - don't track

<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13557

MC: a select element should be 'suffering from being missing' if the selected option has value=""
... Affects everyone, so no need to track
... http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13560
... dynamic changes to input type attribute may cause problems for accessibilty APIs
... When the role changes, AT doesn't always pick it up

LW: Track this issue

MC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13608
... Add <menuitem> element
... Don't think this impacts accessibility

LW: Agreed

MC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13625

<MichaelC_> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13625

MC: There is no way to pass audio and video content metadata to the user agent that is required in some cases for playback
... Might not be a valid bug, but we should track

LW: Agreed

MC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13637
... Cue rendering+behavior spec text should generic, not webvtt-derived
... Definite track
... http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13692
... Last call comments on HTML5 from broadcaster's point of view
... Relevant to media, but might get split

LW: Agree to track

MC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13693
... I'm reasonably sure we will care about any CSS changes, particularly the ones on pseudo-selectors and WebVTT rendering
... Track this, and splits if it splits
... http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13726
... defnitions of DL/DT/DD are too vague
... Should not impact accessibility

LW: Agreed

MC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13769
... Whitespace-only values should be considered empty in required form fields
... Impacts everyone

LW: Doesn't need tyracking

The following bugs were not accessibility related: 13490, 13495, 13496, 13500, 13502, 13507, 13516, 13518, 13519, 13521, 13522, 13529, 13530, 13536, 13537, 13538, 13542, 13545, 13559, 13577, 13581, 13583, 13585, 13586, 13587, 13589, 13592, 13595, 13596, 13597, 13598, 13599, 13600, 13601, 13603, 13610, 13612, 13613, 13615, 13618, 13640, 13652, 13653, 13659, 13660, 13694, 13695, 13696, 13697,...

scribe: 13698, 13719, 13720, 13721, 13722, 13723, 13724, 13770, 13798

<MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC


GL: request to add block element to TH

mc: think <p> should be allowed but definition list seems weird

gl: might break backward compatibility

lw: add a11y keyword and bring up to task force this week with question about whether it's an a11y issue


gz: request to add a feature to handle canceled drag

don't have experience with that

but looks like it will be accepted and affect drag & drop model

need to make sure the new feature is properly exposed to AT

lw: let's add a11ytf keyword

gz: reviewed the following bugs that don't have a11y issues

<Gez> Shouldn't track bugs

<Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13169

<Gez> Allow placeholder on date/time fields for legacy browsers

<Gez> This bug is marked as a duplicate of bug: 12868.

<Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13173

<Gez> <input type="url"> should accept URLs with protocol omitted

<Gez> This bug is marked as resolved, won't fix. The bug is intended to

<Gez> improve usability so the user can type example.com instead of

<Gez> http://example.com. Rejected because type="url" already accepts URLs

<Gez> without requiring a protocol, and it's up to the user agent to support

<Gez> them.

<Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13175

<Gez> Allow LEGEND to be LEGEND of FORM itself, without need for wrapping FIELDSET

<Gez> This bug is marked as resolved, won't fix. I'm not sure of the

<Gez> advantage of having legend outside of a fieldset, whereas having a

<Gez> fieldset sets a scope for the legend that can be programmatically

<Gez> determined for AT.

<Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13179

<Gez> A possible alternative to the main track, e.g. a different take of a

<Gez> song (audio), or a different angle (video). Audio and video. Ogg:

<Gez> "audio/alterate" or "video/alternate". in this piece of content the

<Gez> audio/alterate I believe is a typo

<Gez> This is just reporting a typo that has been corrected, and the bug has

<Gez> been resolved fixed.

<Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13182

<Gez> "an determinate" + missing closing parenthesis

<Gez> This is just reporting a grammar error that has been corrected, and

<Gez> the bug has been resolved fixed.

<Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13183

<Gez> Descriptions of how to clamp boundaries is ambiguous

<Gez> This bug has been marked resolved fixed. The original text spec was ambiguous.

<Gez> Bug: 13185

<Gez> Nonsense bug

<Gez> Bugs: 13188, 13189, 13190, 13191, 13192, 13193, 13194

<Gez> Paragraph

<Gez> These bugs all have a title of "Paragraph", and no details

<Gez> Bugs: 13195, 13196, 13197

<Gez> Nonsense bugs

<Gez> Bug: 13199

<Gez> Nonsense bug

<Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13201

<Gez> Flow content should be allowed in <dt>

<Gez> This bug is marked as new. Only inline content was valid in HTML 4.01.

<Gez> I don't think this is an accessibility issue.

<Gez> Bugs: 13210, 13212

<Gez> Nonsense bugs

<Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13219

<Gez> HTML5 & math formulas = ? (HTML in scientifics history forget on math

<Gez> formulas html tags)

<Gez> The bug has been marked invalid. I don't understand what the bug means.

<Gez> Bug: 13221

<Gez> Nonsense bug

<Gez> Bug: 13223

<Gez> Nonsense bug

Monitoring new bugs

<Gez> LW: Laura started this, and posting a weekly summary of issues that were worthy of attention

<scribe> scribe: Gez

LW: Ask Everet if he would take this on

Summary of Action Items

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