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<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
<scribe> Scribe: Art
Date: 6 September 2011
<lgombos> Zakim: aadd is me
AB: I posted a draft agenda on September 5 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011JulSep/0043.html. Any change requests? Depending on the outcome of the discussion of Issue-19, we may skip the topic about publishing a LC of Touch Events v1 spec.
AB: Any short announcements for
... Scott joins us for the first time
JG: video game industry in the past
… am now at Google on Chrome and webkit team
… want to support richer apps
… especially games
… I am particuarly interested in Joystick API I submitted
AB: in order for us to publish Joystick API, it must first be explicit in our charter
… I don't think that is going to be problematic to get it added
DS: yes, I agree adding Joystick to our charter shouldn't be problematic
… re-chartering also gives us more specific info about our scope now that we have a LC
… and that may make it easier for other Members to join this WG
… we can also consider adding other specs besides Joystick
SG: so the concern is getting too broad to raise other legal concerns?
DS: yes, that's the concern
… it's about IP/patent concerns
AB: we can add re-chartering to next week's topic list
JG: ok with me
AB: Issue-19 http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/19
has open Action-55 for Laszlo http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/55.
... during our August 30 discussion on this issue http://www.w3.org/2011/08/30-webevents-minutes.html#item03, we agreed that if the action was still open today, we would do as Matt proposed, i.e. " For v1 we can remove initTouchEvent (and createTouch + createTouchList which are not useful without initTouchEvent), and wait until v2 to answer these questions and spec those."
... let's start with Laszlo. It appears he submitted the patch to webkit bug 60612 as he mentioned last week https://bug-60612-attachments.webkit.org/attachment.cgi?id=106379
LG: my action was to remove these paramaters
… to help get feedback from the WK community
… I completed my action
… but no feedback yet
… I did Cc people from Google and Apple
… The changes are fairly small
… We should get feedback within a few days and if not, I can do some followups
MB: that's great; thanks Laszlo
… I see 3 possibilities
… If the changes are agreed, spec won't need to change
… If the changes are not agreeable, we should change the spec to match webkit
… If this is controversial within the WK community, we can remove the method for v1 and take it up again in v2
DS: we can go to LC and mark this feature as "At Risk"
… getting a LC published is real importanat re getting feedback
… with the feature "At Risk", we can go to CR and not need to go back to LC
LG: so we can would leave the method but remove the params for LC?
DS: yes, we could do that; or mark those params and/or methods "At Risk"
… need a warning about the feature may be dropped
AB: is it the case that the spec now matches Webkit with LG's patch?
MB: yes, it does
LG: my proposal is to go to LC with the spec as it is today (with those params removed)
SM: I think we should push the spec as it is
… as I think this will force the issue
DS: we could just put it out there as it is
AB: I'm hearing we should go to LC with the spec as it is today
… i.e. no additional warnings or marks of "At Risk"
… Is that a fair characterization?
DS: that's fine with me
MB: I'm OK with that
… but I'm OK with marking it "As Risk" too
… With Laszlo's patch, the API is not quite identical
… I can minute the details
… The first several parms match but then WK has 2 additional params the spec does not include
… and those 2 params are apple specific
… But with LG's patch, the first several params do match
AB: so I think we have consensus
to consider this issue closed
... any objections to closing this issue and the related action?
[ None ]
AB: any comments about publishing a LCWD of Touch Events v1 http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/raw-file/v1/touchevents.html>
SM: I recall Cathy noticed some probs with the example code
MB: I think I have a related action
SM: I can take a look
<trackbot> ACTION-61 -- Matt Brubeck to test Sangwhan's list examples against implementations -- due 2011-08-16 -- OPEN
AB: we want the examples to be error free, but they are non-normative
<mbrubeck> I tested the first example and it does work on WebKit.
… thus fixing examples would not force another LC
<mbrubeck> I haven't tested the second one yet.
AB: I propose we publish a LCWD of the Touch Events v1 spec
… any objections or voices of support?
RESOLUTION: the WG agrees to publish a LCWD of the Touch Events v1 spec
AB: who is going to prep the doc?
DS: I can do that
<sangwhan> mbrubeck: I would have loved to touch them myself, but my phone doesn't quite support multiple touches very well in a hardware level. A fancier piece of hardware is on it's way from the states very soon that's supposed to handle multiple touch better - I'll get to it as soon as that comes in.
AB: comment review period, 3 weeks it the minimum
DS: I propose 4 weeks
AB: any objections to 4 weeks?
[ None ]
<mbrubeck> sangwhan: Okay, I can finish testing then... I have both Android and iOS multi-touch hardware.
AB: so let's target a Sept 13 publication
… that will give some extra time for editorial changes
… We need to know if there are any specific WGs we want to request to review the spec?
… WebApps is one WG
<sangwhan> mbrubeck: I'll take a look at the logical flaws first - just let me know if something doesn't work.
… Any other WGs?
DS: the WAI P&F WG
... we could also ask HTML WG
AB: OK, so HTML WG, WebApps WG and WAI P&F WG
AB: let's plan for a call next
week, September 13. Potential topics are status of the
Intentional Events spec and testing.
... are there other topics for next week?
DS: yes, testing and Joystick API
MB: and we should have feedback from WK people re LG's patch
AB: other topics?
... anything else for today?
[ None ]
AB: meet on Sept 13
... meeting adjourned
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