HTML A11Y Text Alternatives Sub-Group Teleconference

15 Aug 2011

See also: IRC log


Judy, Janina, John_Foliot, Lynn_Holsworth


<JF> is it here or on html-a11y?

<scribe> scribe: janina

response to Jonas on longdesc

Judy: Believe JF is still editing a response
... It's now timely to take this up

JF: High on my priorities this week, behind proposal for Web TV workshop in Hollywood
... Believe primarily reordering and tightening up

Judy: Want to come back to whether this is specific to this issue or a general response on these kinds of issues
... Modular may be more useful in the latter case
... We got conflicting guidance from two Chairs in two meetings
... Still think referencable docs are useful going forward

JF: Modularizing would be OK, not much extra time

Judy: Modularized works for me, not sure what we should call them, not white paper ...

Janina: Suggesting an agreed name/handle is important

Judy: "Note" would be good, but it's a W3C reserved word
... We can decide by next week

s/can't/ /

JF: Goal is to get this done by Friday when I leave for vacation

meta generator proposal

<JF> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/meta_name=generator_does_not_make_missing_alt_conforming

Janina, suggest we repost to the list asking people to review whether ready to forward to Chairs

JF: I like the proposal, agree with process

Group suggesting to check with Steve first

Clarification that we need to repost to TF list with Monday deadline as ready for review

table summary http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Category:Table_Summary

Judy: Monday then up to Thursday TF call

Janina, same state ...

Judy: Great

Janina will reforward

fig caption http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13651

has 'resolved, won't fix' status

Judy: Question raised re wouldn't it be simpler to require alt? We need to be conservative

JF: Debate is how much is too much
... We need a CP and to go through the process

Judy: Want to recheck possible association with one other issue ...
... It was mentioned fig-caption not yet supported in AT

JF; My understanding is that all new HTML5 elements are treated as divs

JF: by old browsers
... We probably need a WCAG technique with aria-describedby via id
... Will be an issue certainly
... suggest steve's html5accessibility.com is a good starting point for AT vendor discussion
... All this requires browsers do something, and we only have two html5 parsers so far, I believe
... Propose our next step on fig-caption is a cp

discussion of how to approach discussion

JF: Suggesting canvasing alternate media producers re how many words max for alt

Judy: Also a WCAG discussion
... This approach looks at conformance, we might perhaps look again at the warning approach
... Increasingly in scientific publications, fig-caption not on main page, but in a popup after you select the thumbnail

<Judy> judy: but the publishing conventions are not consistent

consensus policy input http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/consensus-procedures

discussion on how to restate based on experience

Janina encouraged to draft an updated consensus for discussion

Summary of Action Items

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