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<smaug> is there some voip number or such to which I could call using skype?
<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
<scribe> Scribe: Art
Date: 9 August 2011
AB: draft agenda posted on August
8
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011JulSep/0020.html.
One change I want to make is to move the Examples List topic
after Issue-16.
... any change requests?
[ None ]
AB: any short announcements today?
AB: Issue-19 http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/19
has open Action-55 for Laszlo http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/55
... Laszlo is still unavailable so we will skip this
topic
... I think we should address this before LC
MB: after our last call, I commented on the webkit bug
… re some alignment
… I haven't received any feedback on what I added to that webkit bug
AB: thanks for following up on that
<mbrubeck> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60612
AB: Issue-16 http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/16
has open Action-53 by Doug http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/53.
Sangwhan submitted some comments on August 3
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011JulSep/0015.html
... June 14 is the last time we discussed this issue http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-webevents-minutes.html#item04
DS: no progress on that action
… plan to work on it this week
AB: this is somewhat related to the question about the list definitions for Target Events
DS: would it be useful to try to do web searches on this issue?
MB: yes, I've been using Google Code searches
… it covers a lot of OSS code
… but only covers code in public repos and doesn't cover everything on the Web
AB: do you need anything from the rest of use Doug re this issue?
DS: no; just need to do the analysis
MB: I disagree with Sangwhan's latest message
… I think the assert in example 2 of Issue-16 should fail
… I will respond on the list
… If they are all immutable the question of shared identity doesn't matter so much
AB: yes, please do that
DT: have we looked at the Webkit impl?
DS: I think someone took an action
<mbrubeck> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/0121.html
MB: laszlo has open action-46
action-46?
<trackbot> ACTION-46 -- Laszlo Gombos to laszlo to follow-up re Object Identity implementation in WebKit -- due 2011-05-17 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/46
<shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/0121.html
AB: so it appears then that Laszlo agrees with Matt re the 2nd example
DS: I agree with Matt
… thus there is no need for me to respond
… if Matt responds to Sangwhan, I think that will clarify things
AB: you propose Doug that action-53 be close?
DS: yes, I think we've now addressed the issue
CC: do any changes need to be made to the spec to clarify this?
DS: yes; good point
… need a different action for it though
AB: what's the action
<scribe> ACTION: Doug propose spec text to address the resolution of issue-16 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/09-webevents-minutes.html#action01]
DS: I'll do that after Sangwhan has responded to Matt
AB: Sangwhan checked in some
examples to complete Action-57
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/raw-file/default/touchevents.html
... Cathy's sent comments re Sangwhan's examples:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011JulSep/0018.html
... Tran sent an example to the list
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011JulSep/0019.html
CC: I reviewed SM's examples
<trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Propose spec text to address the resolution of issue-16 [on Doug Schepers - due 2011-08-16].
… it raised the question about what targetTouches actually refers to
… There appears to be a discrepancy in the spec and the example
MB: I agree with Cathy's interpretation of the spec
… and I need to test the examples in running code to verify
CC: I looked at Safari doc
… it is a bit ambiguous
… I'll look for a link
CC: it says targetTouches "A collection of Touch objects representing all touches associated with this target.
"
MB: I can take an action to test the examples
AB: thanks Matt
<scribe> ACTION: brubeck test Sangwhan's list examples against implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/09-webevents-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Test Sangwhan's list examples against implementations [on Matt Brubeck - due 2011-08-16].
AB: Cathy also noted there is no way to determine how many touch points are currently on a particular element
CC: yes; is that an issue?
... so app needs to keep track?
MB: yes
<mbrubeck> using touchenter and touchleave (once those are implemented)
OP: you can also use coordinates from the touch point element
<smaug> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom-view/#dom-document-elementfrompoint
SM: we may want to add some heuristics
… about number of touches
… it can be a problem in the long run
MB: the main reason behind the current language is to align with Webkit
… if we want to change that, we need to be careful
SM: we can also think about adding new things in the next version of the spec
AB: I think our working
assumption is for v1 to match what has already been
implemented
... Tran submitted an example
TD: I tried my example on Safari and phone with Webkit
… it's up to the group if we want to do anything with my example
… want to add some additional features like rotation
SM: like to have other features included
… but would be good to make it a bit shorter
… and just focus on the minimal amount of code
TD: it's fine with me if the Editors want to change it
SM: OK; I'll make some mods and then run them by you
TD: ok; sounds good
… do we want to introduce a Rotation example?
MB: I have some comments that I will send to the list
SM: the v1 spec doesn't have rotation, correct?
MB: yes, that's correct
AB: one action blocking LC is Doug's Action-56 "Update the Touch Event spec to use markup to facilitate
test case extraction" http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/56
DS: my f2f meeting and other high priority stuff got in the way
… should be done this week
… would appreciate it if Matt would ping me about this ;-)!
<smaug> we can all kick shepazu :)
DS: this shouldn't stop us from creating tests, right
AB: yes; good point!
… there is always an Open Action for everyone to Create Tests!
DS: after I complete action-56, it would be good to assign blocks of assertions to individuals
… does that seem reasonable?
DT: think it's a good idea
<smaug> +1
<sangwhan> +1
DS: v1 will be limited to features already implemented
… does it appear there will be at least 2 impls for each feature?
MB: I think the main interop issue is going to be the params for initTouchEvent
… Issue-19
… Other than that, I think all of the other v1 features are interoperable
DS: I ask, because that will block our progress toward Recommendation
AB: perhaps during LC review period we can do some analysis about what has been implemented
DS: we could conceivably skip CR if we have all features implemented in the LC time frame
… assuming we have the tests in place
AB: want to spend some time on the spec's 2 "red block issues"
… first one has to do with aligning with InkML
<Cathy> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/raw-file/default/touchevents.html#attributes
AB: have we already said this is out of scope for v1?
DS: yes
SM: yes
AB: so this will be resolved when we make the spec split?
DS: yes
AB: ok, the 2nd red block issue is "What are units of radiusX/Y? CSS Pixels?
SM: that is also moved to v2
DS: correct
CC: yes
MB: the spec actually seems to address it, right above the issue
DS: I had an answer at one point of time but wanted more feedback
AB: so radiusX will not be in v1?
DS: yes, that's correct
MB: yes
... speaking of v1
… I am all set to make the split
… was waiting for Doug
… but won't now
… I will create a v1 branch
… and the trunk will continue on for v2
… and we can apply changes to both branches as needed
SM: sounds good
AB: +1
DS: so we can split now and still apply a changeset to both?
MB: yes, we can do that
… some of the patches may need to be done manually
… I don't expect the two branches to ever reunite
… v1 will stop changing as the spec freezes
SM: for v1, we should do some testing before stripping out features
DS: that implies we have the tests
… but we aren't quite there yet
… until we get the tests
… it's a good idea and will be done during the implementation phase
AB: August 30 is the next time I can make a call
DS: if we get enough actions and work done before then, I can chair a call
AB: that works for me
<sangwhan> WFM
AB: meeting adjourned
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