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<trackbot> Date: 04 August 2011
<JAllan> scribe: jallan
discussion of Universal Design, a11y in the press, etc.
Kudos to Greg for massive HTML5 review!!!
<kford> Scribe: kford
JA: JS back next week. We think we need another writing session. Would be good if we could schedule this in August.
JA is out on 8/11.
JA: How does August look for people? Maybe 8/18?
SH: Sept is bad because that's the start of the academic year.
Group going to do a four hour writing session on 8/18. Will start at noon Boston.
<scribe> ACTION: KF to mail list with details on writing session. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-596 - Mail list with details on writing session. [on Kelly Ford - due 2011-08-11].
<scribe> ACTION: JS to set up meeting with W3C tools like zakim. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-ua-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-597 - Set up meeting with W3C tools like zakim. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2011-08-11].
JA: Things we need to workk on are summary statements and finishing IERs.
<Greg> The bugs I submitted, both mine on others assigned to me by the A11YTF, are at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=gcl-0039%40access-research.org&emailtype1=exact&emailassigned_to1=1&emailreporter1=1
GL goes over bugs filed.
GL: Several worked very hard for last several days due to the deadlines here.
<JAllan> quick search in bug list shows 182 for a11y http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=a11y
HTML 5 accessibility task force home page: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/html-task-force
<Greg> The PF wiki page from which bugs were generated is at http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Spec_Review/All. It *should* have all the things migrated from the UA wiki page.
<Greg> That page includes links to the corresponding bugs in the HTML5 Bugzilla database.
<Greg> Everything that does not have a bug number by it was rejected by the working group.
Group going over experiences in HTML 5 bug filing and such.
KP giving history of something called profnet at start of intenret.
GL: Reminds people that W3C has
funding for someone to work on accessibility.
... Clarifies that this is on HTML 5 accessibility.
<Greg> The position is described at http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Recruitment/#WAIengineer
JA: JR found a list of duplicate
issues.
... Kim are you and Jeanne aware of these?
KP: Let us look at this first.
\Group goes over a few examples of dupes.
<Greg> Even though the wording of the SC itself is ambiguous as to whether it's about perceivable vs. operable, the example given for 1.11.2 is clearly about perceivable, and there is no example for 2.5.2.
<Greg> But the fact that the SC wording is ambiguous is a problem.
<JAllan> ACTION: to write in draft that 1.11.2 should stay, and 2.5.2 should be removed. they are duplicates. keep the ier for 1.11.2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-ua-minutes.html#action03]
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<JAllan> ACTION: Jeanne to write in draft that 1.11.2 should stay, and 2.5.2 should be removed. they are duplicates. keep the ier for 1.11.2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-ua-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-598 - Write in draft that 1.11.2 should stay, and 2.5.2 should be removed. they are duplicates. keep the ier for 1.11.2 [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2011-08-11].
Group determined that 1.9.10 was merged.
<JAllan> ACTION: jeanne to remove 1.9.10, as it is a duplicate of 3.4.1 (see kim) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-ua-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-599 - Remove 1.9.10, as it is a duplicate of 3.4.1 (see kim) [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2011-08-11].
Now looking at 1.9.11
This one should also be deleted.
<JAllan> ACTION: Jeanne to delete 1.9.11 as it is a duplicate of 3.4.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-ua-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-600 - Delete 1.9.11 as it is a duplicate of 3.4.1 [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2011-08-11].
Now looking at summary for GL 1.6
<Greg> The use can specify specify speech rate and volume (1.6.1), pitch and pitch range (1.6.2), synthesizer speech characteristics like emphasis (1.6.3) and features like spelling (1.6.4).
<Greg> The user can adjust speech rate and volume (1.6.1), pitch and pitch range (1.6.2), and synthesizer speech characteristics like emphasis (1.6.3) and features like spelling (1.6.4).
<Greg> The user can specify speech rate and volume (1.6.1), pitch and pitch range (1.6.2), and synthesizer speech characteristics like emphasis (1.6.3) and features like spelling (1.6.4).
Group likes result.
<JAllan> ACTION: jeanne to add "The user can specify speech rate and volume (1.6.1), pitch and pitch range (1.6.2), and synthesizer speech characteristics like emphasis (1.6.3) and features like spelling (1.6.4)." as summary for GL1.6 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-ua-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-601 - Add "The user can specify speech rate and volume (1.6.1), pitch and pitch range (1.6.2), and synthesizer speech characteristics like emphasis (1.6.3) and features like spelling (1.6.4)." as summary for GL1.6 [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2011-08-11].
Now looking at summary for 1.7.
<Greg> First draft: "The user can choose which if any author-supplied (1.7.1) and user-supplied (1.7.2) style sheets to use."
<JAllan> gl brings up, what if UA only allows user style per page
<JAllan> ja: current UA make it global.
<Greg> I think we should be explicit that the user should be able to select any number of author- or user-provided style sheets to be applied to the current page, all pages on the current site, or all pages viewed in the browser.
<Greg> That is, yes, I'm suggesting we need to change the SC.
<Greg> That last part should say "or all pages viewed in the browser using this configuration".
<Greg> (Many browsers of course let the user switch between profiles.)
<JAllan> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20110719/#gl-style-sheets-config
<JAllan> discussion of Customize your Web https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/customize-your-web/
<JAllan> and greasemonkey https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/greasemonkey/
<Greg> OK, here's a stab but not quite ready yet:
<Greg> 1.7.1 Author Style Sheets: For every author style sheet defined, the user can choose whether or not it should be applied to (a) the current page, or (c) all pages for which it is defined
<Greg> 1.7.2 User Style Sheets: For every user style sheet defined, the user can choose whether or not it should be applied to (a) the current page, or (b) all pages on the current web site, or (c) all pages.
<Greg> The one thing missing is, should we address whether it needs to be applied before or after other style sheets. That is, should the user style sheet take precedence over author style sheets, even if it doesn't use !important keyword?
<Greg> That is, where in the cascade should author or user style sheets be applied when they are not referenced in the page?
<Greg> Kim asks, should that also be user customizable?
<JAllan> also add Stylish for firefox https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/ and Chrome https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fjnbnpbmkenffdnngjfgmeleoegfcffe
<Greg> We could make it customizable, but do any user agents support it?
<Greg> Jim notes it needs the ability to more explicitly turn off all author and/or user style sheets globally.
<Greg> 1.7.1 Author Style Sheets: For every author style sheet defined, the user can choose whether or not it should be applied to (a) the current page, or (b) all pages for which it is defined, or (c) turn off all author style sheets.
<Greg> 1.7.1 Author Style Sheets: The user can turn off the use of author style sheets, and for every author style sheet defined the user can choose whether or not it should be applied to (a) the current page, or (b) all pages for which it is defined.
<Greg> 1.7.2 User Style Sheets: The user can turn off the use of user style sheets, and for every user style sheet defined the user can choose whether or not it should be applied to (a) the current page, or (b) all pages on the current web site, or (c) all pages.
<JAllan> ACTION: jeanne to add "The user can choose which if any author-supplied (1.7.1) and user-supplied (1.7.2) style sheets to use." as summary for GL 1.7 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-ua-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-602 - Add "The user can choose which if any author-supplied (1.7.1) and user-supplied (1.7.2) style sheets to use." as summary for GL 1.7 [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2011-08-11].
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