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<trackbot> Date: 21 July 2011
<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-07-21: Task Force reports, Last Call change control, Decision Policy from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-07-20 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
<rubys> ...Maciej should be here momentarily...
mjs: there are none
mjs: there are none
mjs: there are none
mjs: there are none
ISSUE-153?
<trackbot> ISSUE-153 -- link type "external" either not useful or underspecified -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/153
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-153: link type "external" either not useful or underspecified - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: Call for Counter-Proposals closes Jul 28
ISSUE-154?
<trackbot> ISSUE-154 -- "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/154
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-154: "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: Call for Counter-Proposals
closes Jul 28
... both issues about link relations
ISSUE-166?
<trackbot> ISSUE-166 -- text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/166
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-166: text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: Change Proposals due Jul 28
ISSUE-167?
<trackbot> ISSUE-167 -- Remove the crossorigin attribute and CORS normative dependency -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/167
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-167: Remove the crossorigin attribute and CORS normative dependency - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: Change Proposals due Jul 28
mjs: there are none
mjs: there are none
... will not start any more surveys until the end of the LC
comment period on 8/4
mjs: there are none
krisk: met last week
<krisk> Here notes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2011Jul/0004.html
<pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 7/12/2011 from Kris Krueger on 2011-07-21 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from July 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
krisk: group agreed to use
html5lib test format going forward
... new tests from mozilla
... there are authoring guidelines available
<krisk> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing/Authoring
krisk: microsoft has submitted
some structured clone algorithm tests
... opera has also submitted tests
... TF meets on 7/26
janina: not much to report
... have asked people to read through the spec to look for a11y
issues
... long call next thursday to process those reports
... media subgroup have 3 unresolved issues, waiting on
PoCs
... text subgroup will make some comments on longdesc, canvas
a11y, etc.
... asking tf participants to focus on bugs
ISSUE-134?
<trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-134: Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
CP on ISSUE-134: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jul/0235.html
<pimpbot> Title: Re: CfC: Close ISSUE-134 tab-states by Amicable Resolution from Tab Atkins Jr. on 2011-07-14 (public-html@w3.org from July 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
mjs: in the future, we will be
stricter about the CfC deadline
... this is a one-time exception
... have filed bug on decision policy to clarify this going
forward
... Last Call change control and non-bugzilla changes
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jul/0286.html
<pimpbot> Title: Thoughts on restricting non-bugzilla-driven spec changes during Last Call from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-07-20 (public-html@w3.org from July 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
mjs: looking at what sort of
change control should be applied, email is quite detailed
... strongly encourage wg participants to read that email
... there are 3 key process requirements affected by spec
changes happening during LC
... 1) formal requirement to address all issues received during
LC
... 2) must have documentation of all changes since the
previous step (entering last call)
... there's a Process distinction between minor and substantive
changes
... substantive changes are changes that invalidate previous
review or impl report
... minor changes only require reporting diff
... Process requires us to provide meaningful summary of
substantive changes
... substantive changes made after entering LC require issuing
another WD, can't proceed straight to CR
... we knew going into this LC that there woulud be substantive
changes in certain areas etc.
... must fulfill documentation requirement
... we will have to have an LC period in which we don't make
substantive changes
... there are a number of changes made to the spec that are
from comments not at the w3c
... also rdfa-in-html spec has changes made due to comments in
the rdfa wg, not just an issue with the html5 spec
janina: should people be commenting on the may 25th LCWD or a july ED? (question came up in a11y tf)
mjs: up to the reviewer
... May 25th draft is frozen, so it won't change during
review
... the EDs have ongoing changes, including LC comments
... issues may already have been fixed, there may be new
problems
... ED probably tracks what will be in a future LC
paulc: it's always possible to
get the static version by following the dated links
... we'll always process LC comments on the LCWD
... it's also valid as an LC comment to request revert of
changes happening in the ED
mjs: Decision Policy update plans http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jul/0287.html
<pimpbot> Title: Decision Policy update plans from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-07-20 (public-html@w3.org from July 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
mjs: have been working on the
Decision Policy 'v2' draft
... will be presenting a CfC to the WG to adopt the v2 Decision
Policy
... please review v2 draft and file bugs
... Any other business?
<adrianba> i can scribe next week
<paulc> rssagent, generate minutes
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