HNTF deadline

kaz: we'll extend the charter period by one month

all: agree

RESOLUTION: HNTF will extend the charter period until the end of August

HTML5 review

kaz: is anybody interested in reviewing HTML5 spec from Home Networking viewpoint?

igarashi: no particular idea on HTML5

<yosuke> [FYI: I've been reviewing the spec with some broadcasters from broadcasters' point of view.]

kaz: just reviewing part of the spec is fine
... because the spec is huge

matt: no specific interest

russell: can commit
... HTML5 has number of options

kaz: great

<davidmays> there is a lot of noise on the line

<davidmays> it is very difficult to understand

kaz: please send a message to the IG list on your interested section, etc.

<davidmays> yes the noise is gone

<MattH> yes

kaz: yosuke, could you please also make contribution?

yosuke: ok

<r> Kaz - I dont understand - is this the html5 item>???

<r> no - I indicated we would *not* be interested!!

<yosuke> [I'd like to mention that my/our review on HTML5 spec will be mainly from broadcasters' point of view, and it may not be in line with HNTF's point of view.]

yosuke, ok

RESOLUTION: Yosuke is interested in HTML5 review. Note that his review will be not from HNTF viewpoint but from broadcasters' viewpoint

remaining issues

kaz: first one is Igarashi's issue-24

-> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions/LocalLink issue-24

issue-24?

<trackbot> ISSUE-24 -- Local Link of web applications -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/24

russell: similar to the one we submitted

kaz: which one?

russell: network player

kaz: the one derived from 17?

russell: yes

kaz: igarashi, what do you think?

igarashi: we may discuss what the difference is
... most use cases are similar
... not only 17 but also 15 etc.
... use cases on generic use cases
... so I'd suggest we add type of use cases first, and then talk about the difference between use cases
... ISSUE-14 is very generic
... and Francois asked about the difference between 14 and 24

<r> This is objectionable in Issue 24 - Type of use case: Application/service agnostic APIs

kaz: igarashi needs to modify that term to "generic"

<r> Should be no mention - just requirements

<r> There are generic and specific solutions deployed

<r> W3C needs to address both

<r> Issue 17 does this already

<r> Issue 23 discusses support for specific deployed implementations

kaz: russell, you're suggesting ISSUE-24 should also mention both the generic APIS and application-specific APIs?

<r> Use cases should describe requirements absent implementation

russell: yes

igarashi: this is not solution discussion, but requirements discussion

<r> We think a Requirement to support Generic APIs is problematic

<r> Generic APIs defeat interoperability!

<r> The use case should specifically discuss Generic APIs and explain their impact on interoperability

<r> This is what ISSUE-24 should do

<r> Then what is the use-case for Issue-24?

igarashi: what we should do first is clarify use cases

<r> How is it different from ISSUE-17?

<r> I think its a valid approach - The use case should clearly state the requirement

<r> For generic API support

<r> Vs standardized API support

<r> Both seem to be valid approaches?

<r> Maybe we should have end-user use-cases and implementation use-cases

kaz: maybe we could ask igarashi to provide some example of generic APIs?

igarashi: Opera's proposal is one of the possible generic APIs

kaz: russell, did you by chance see the generic APIs proposal by Opera (Rich)?

russell: had some private discussion with him

<r> agree with you comment that discussion is out of scope for HNTF

russell: think Opera's proposal is different from ISSUE-24...

igarashi: that is 80% similar to my proposed use case
... they identify services

russell: Opera's target is not generic API but based on existing solutions
... it has binding to existing solutions like JSON

igarashi: that (how to solve use case requirements) is a different level from use cases discussion itself
... what do you want to clarify?

russell: need to identify which home network technology should be used

kaz: are you suggesting each use case should mention which existing technology should be used?

russell: that should be guidance to the other groups
... would be helpful for the discussion in the other WGs

kaz: we should concentrate on clarifying use cases and requirements for this HNTF charter period, and then talk about expectation for binding to existing standards, e.g., UPnP, DLNA.

russell: agree
... and at later stage, we need to consider eco-system specific use cases, etc.
... is it possible to add eco-system specific use cases category to the requirements document

kaz: we need to talk with Giuseppe as well, but should be ok
... could you please add some note or description to your use case about that point (=eco-system specific, etc.)

russell: e.g., ISSUE-23
... also would like to provide some proposal for requirements document construction

kaz: great

[ adjourned ]