SV_MEETING_TITLE -- 03 May 2011

<joakim> Hi

<joakim> I can't chair, but I didn't say I couldn't call in :-)

<mcsuarez> hi... i'm trying to connect to the phone call but I'm having problems...

<scribe> scribe: pchampin

<joakim> I'm attending a parallell meeting, so I can only listen

open actions

ACTION-360: still pending

<trackbot> ACTION-360 Provide an example of an automatic test routine (before x-mas break) notes added

<joakim> No response from Apple yet!

ACTION-405: Thierry will do it today or tomorrow

<trackbot> ACTION-405 Send the WebIDL document link (going for recommendation) to Florian when available notes added

<joakim> No response from Apple yet!'

<joakim> leave open

ACTION-406: leave open as Apple has not responded yet

<trackbot> ACTION-406 Ping Apple if they could make an async implementation (e.g., as Safari extension) notes added

ACTION-407

Werner: the issue was to clarify the documents, following a mail by myself

Thierry: ok, it was discussed when I was away; I'll do that soon

ACTION-410: werner has sent a mail to the HTML5 WG

<trackbot> ACTION-410 Make a propsoal for a response to the html5 folks notes added

close ACTION-410

<trackbot> ACTION-410 Make a propsoal for a response to the html5 folks closed

<mcsuarez> hi... now i'm also in the phone.

<tmichel> Mari-Carmen do you have news from Apple Gather the metadata files from Apple

<mcsuarez> with respect to te action 410 I will write apple people again...

ACTION-412: not done yet

<trackbot> ACTION-412 Write a proposal explaining how/when to use incomplete dates notes added

<tmichel> Action 411 ...

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 411

response to the HTML WG

Thierry: the response from MAWG has been sent to the HTML WG

<scribe> scribe: pchampin

<joakim> Wener, that's correct!

Thierry: did that message go through to the HTML WG?
... as there was some permission issues?

Florian: I have not seen it in the archive

Werner: the original mail from Joachim made it to the HTML WG

Joakim: yes, I sent Florian's proposal to the HTML WG; we had responses from Danny and Silvia

<joakim> Silvia send a message inline to the agenda,

Joakim: Silvia suggested to send one or two compelling use cases

Thierry: should we spend more time on this?

<joakim> But we colud formalize two compelling use cases!

Florian: my opinion is to follow Silvia's proposal

Thierry: do we have such UCs in our UCs document?

Werner: I'm not sure the UC doc is at the right granularity, compared to what Danny was talking about

<joakim> i have it too

Thierry: any volunteer to propose some wording for the use cases?

<joakim> we could discuss them now

we could nonetheless start from what is already in http://www.w3.org/TR/media-annot-reqs/

and identify which ones can be made more "browerish"

Florian: difficult, as we don't really know what is required from us

Joakim: all the more that we invited them, but they wouldn't come

Thierry: how about Silvia? She is part of both groups.

Joakim: we could ask her what she thinks are the two most important use-cases/requirements
... having the HTML people to explain their need, we can then see what in out proposal addresses/can address them

<wbailer> +1

Thierry: +1 from me, what about the others?

<stegmai> +1

pchampin: +1

<mcsuarez> +1

action Thierry to write an email to Silvia, cc the HTML WG to ask more details about their concerns

<trackbot> Created ACTION-413 - Write an email to Silvia, cc the HTML WG to ask more details about their concerns [on Thierry Michel - due 2011-05-10].

<joakim> make her explain their needs for accessing metadata

metadata format files

Thierry: we have more and more files there
... but some of them are still missing,
... and the deadline is end of may

<joakim> I have reminded Tobias, and he said that he will respect the deadline

action Thierry to send a reminder about the missing metadata format files

<trackbot> Created ACTION-414 - Send a reminder about the missing metadata format files [on Thierry Michel - due 2011-05-10].

ontology document

Thierry: the ontology document has been in LC for enough time
... we have had no feedback
... we are ready to go to CR
... we have to state our exact criteria for CR
... At the F2F in Lyon, we decided to provide test cases as XML and RDF documents.
... Do we have more updates to do to the document?

werner: nothing except Thierry's action

pchampin: and mine

Thierry: those can be coordinated this week,
... so everyone should have a careful review of the document before we move to CR

<joakim> CR

<joakim> Candidate Recommendation

action Thierry to draft exit criteria for CR

<trackbot> Created ACTION-415 - Draft exit criteria for CR [on Thierry Michel - due 2011-05-10].

API document

Thierry: what is the status of the document?

Florian: we are still in ongoing discussion about Silvia's remarks

<stegmai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Apr/0I63.html

Florian: the proposal in my mail above is to have two sub-interfaces of MediaAnnotation: simple and detailed
... This would not require too much editing.

Werner: I'm not sure we should add it in the API, but as an example section ;
... the simple API (attribute-value pairs) advocated by the HTML WG could be implemented on top of the current proposal
... as we are not even sure that the changed proposed by Florian will please the HTML WG.

<joakim> I agree

pchampin: how would one decide to get simple or detailed information?

<joakim> Let's stay on our path and finish the API.

Florian: we have send this e-mail, and they didn't respond in a way we can know what we want.

<joakim> As JP said HTML5 won't be ready until a couple of years

pchampin: a attribute-value pair JS implementation could be built on top of a web-service implementing our own API
... so I don't think it is a good idea to change our API now.

Thierry: if the HTML WG is really concerned, they should respond during our LC

<stegmai> +1 @ Thierry

<joakim> we can wait for her respons

<stegmai> i think so, too

Thierry: Let's wait to see if Silvia answers to our e-mail. Then we can make a resolution.

next F2F

Thierry: the next face-to-face in planned in Sofia (France)
... on the 28 and 29th of june
... any objection on the place and dates?
... If none, I'll do the registration.

<joakim> thanks, see you next week

meeting adjourned

<tmichel> n> rrsagent, make minutes public

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