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MAWG

19 Apr 2011

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
joakim, werner, jp, pchampin, stegmail
Regrets
Thierry, Mari_Carmen, Tobias
Chair
Joakim
Scribe
Felix

Contents


<stegmai> 6294 is not a valid code - ?!?!

<jsderber> who can scribe?

<jsderber> ok thanks

<scribe> chair: joakim

<jsderber> scribe: Felix

<scribe> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Apr/0041.html

intro

joakim: had a meeting two weeks ago. Next meeting will be 3rd of May
... when we will have Thierry back

<jsderber> http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html

<jsderber> http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html

joakim: any objections against accepting previous minutes?

<pchampin> http://www.w3.org/2011/04/05-mediaann-minutes.html

RESOLUTION: minutes accepted

action items

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open

ACTION-360

florian: currently implementing API, later will come up with full-fleshed test suite later

ACTION-405 - will keep it open

ACTION-406 - has been done

joakim: did not get a response, will keep it open
... and talk to Apple again

<wbailer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Apr/0021.html

ACTION-407 done

joakim: see above link

close ACTION-407

<trackbot> ACTION-407 Send a proposal for changes in the type definitions of the core properties closed

werner: will implement the proposed change - question is who will do the edits

<scribe> ACTION: thierry or another editor of the ontology to implement the changes proposed for ACTION-407 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-409 - Or another editor of the ontology to implement the changes proposed for ACTION-407 [on Thierry Michel - due 2011-04-26].

close ACTION-408

<trackbot> ACTION-408 Write a better description for property 'rating' closed

joakim: will talk to thierry about making the edits to the draft

close ACTION-408

<trackbot> ACTION-408 Write a better description for property 'rating' closed

response to HTML5 WG

werner: critisim is about the way the API is designed
... have the impression that this is in the direction of dougs comments

joakim: this comment is from an invited expert in the HTML WG

florian: would be good to see how the html5 WG sees this
... could give them a motivation why this design was choosen

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0225.html

felix: just FYI, silvia who is also in our group is also sharing the concern of Danny Ayers

pchampin: 2nd part of the mail from D. Ayers seems to be related to the ontology

+1

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0201.html

<jsderber> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0201.html,

"Secondarily - I personally believe the way the ontology is used here

is wrong-minded. ... "

pchampin: a bit surprised that silvia is surporting Danny's position

jp: not sure whether he is pointing at the RDF

pchampin: not sure either

jp: I think he is wrong, if you want interoperability you need a common ontology

werner: first we should clarify that the ontology and the API are two different things

<stegmai> +1 werner

<pchampin> +1 werner

werner: I agree that if you want interop you have to agree on something
... the other point is the discussion of the API

joakim: could try to get HTML5 folks on our train

florian: +1

joakim: who wants to formulate a response?

jp: he is not happy with the API, that is clear, but the other problems he has need to be clearer

<wbailer> sorry, i dropped out - that was not the response to joakim's question :)

<scribe> ACTION: werner to make a propsoal for a response to the html5 folks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-410 - Make a propsoal for a response to the html5 folks [on Werner Bailer - due 2011-04-26].

Metadata format files for the Ontology

joakim: any need for discussion?

<scribe> ACTION: mari to gather the metadata files from Apple [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-411 - Gather the metadata files from Apple [on Mari Carmen Suarez-Figueroa - due 2011-04-26].

Revision of the API document

florian: have not done any editing, we first need to make a decision

werner: talked about thatt, mail was about changes in the document

joakim: any objections against the changes?

RESOLUTION: changes proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Apr/0021.html adopted

AOB

pchampin: I sent a proposal to the list about dates in the ontology, that will have influence on the API too
... problem is that in many legacy formats date time is defined differently than in XML Schema
... this problem is very common, e.g. in ID3
... in the ontology and the API we are asking for the use of dateTime
... that might not be the best thing to do
... I made the proposal to leave it to implementers to keep the date as described in the original data
... felix pointed out that there are a number of XML schema data types to do that

<pchampin> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0.html#date

pchampin: that needs to be defined in the ontology and explained in the API doc
... what does the group think about this?
... if the group thinks this is a good idea I can write a propsoal

+1

<wbailer> +1

<jsderber> +1, i recognize the problem

<pchampin> ok then :)

<stegmai> +1

<jsderber> Jean Pierre, are you there?

<pchampin> action pchampin to write a proposal explaining how/when to use incomplete dates

<trackbot> Created ACTION-412 - Write a proposal explaining how/when to use incomplete dates [on Pierre-Antoine Champin - due 2011-04-26].

joakim: thanks. adjourn the meeting?

adjourned

<jsderber> thanks for scribing!

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: mari to gather the metadata files from Apple [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: thierry or another editor of the ontology to implement the changes proposed for ACTION-407 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: werner to make a propsoal for a response to the html5 folks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]
 
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