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<trackbot> Date: 31 March 2011
hello
I am having trouble dialing in
Zakim keeps kicking me
ah, there we go
<rubys> start in another minute or so?
SR: First item - ACTION-29
<MikeSmith> action-29?
<trackbot> ACTION-29 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring -- due 2011-03-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/29
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-29: Follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: I don't hear phillippe, but
we do have some news
... we have approval from the PSIG to send materials today to
the HTML WG
... for the first time, the WG will see license options 1 and
2
... we will do a survey late in April
... Maciej will be sending out a note about this shortly after
this call
... any questions or comments?
SR: none
SR: many issues that closed last
week
... first is ISSUE-131 caret-location-API
ISSUE-131?
<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-131: Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: a second proposal was
received, and a survey was sent out
... ISSUE-145 codecs-vs-octets, counter-proposals were due by
Mar 22
... no proposal received
ISSUE-145?
<trackbot> ISSUE-145 -- use of "codecs" parameter -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/145
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-145: use of "codecs" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: next is ISSUE-152 multitrack-media-resources
ISSUE-152?
<trackbot> ISSUE-152 -- Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-152: Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: we have had four proposals
received
... have had a request to delay this
Janina: we talked about this in
the TF telecon
... we are working well and making excellent progress
... there is also significant concern with laying this beyond
Last Call
... there is consensus that additional weeks will let us
resolve this down to fewer proposals
SR: we have definitely heard this
input and are taking it seriously
... chairs will get together later today
... any other comments on ISSUE-152?
... next is ISSUE-155 table-border
ISSUE-155?
<trackbot> ISSUE-155 -- make <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> conforming -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/155
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-155: make conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: we received a second proposal
on that one
... ISSUE-148 charset-detect
ISSUE-148?
<trackbot> ISSUE-148 -- Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/148
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-148: Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: proposal was adopted by
consensus
... ISSUE-27 rel-ownership
ISSUE-27?
<trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27: @rel value ownership, registry consideration - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: the poll originally closed
last week; now extended to April 1, which is tomorrow
... next up, ISSUE-122 shallott-example
ISSUE-122?
<trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-122: alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: we had a straw poll for
objections, closed MArch 24
... ISSUE-161 accessibility-api-mapping
ISSUE-161?
<trackbot> ISSUE-161 -- Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/161
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-161: Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: no proposal received in response to the call for counter-proposals
SR: ISSUE-144 conforming-u
conforming-u?
er
ISSUE-144?
<trackbot> ISSUE-144 -- <u> should be conforming -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/144
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-144: should be conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: we did get a proposal
... and finally ISSUE-32 table-summary
ISSUE-32?
<trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-32: how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
straw poll for objections closed March 28
SR: issue-145 codecs-vs-octet
ISSUE-145?
<trackbot> ISSUE-145 -- use of "codecs" parameter -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/145
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-145: use of "codecs" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: call for consensus closed yesterday
I'm hearing a lot of noise on the line
can't hear the chair
SR: next up is ISSUE-131
caret-location-api
... straw poll for objections closes today
ISSUE-131?
<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-131: Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: next up is ISSUE-161 accessibilit-api-mappings
ISSUE-161?
<trackbot> ISSUE-161 -- Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/161
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-161: Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: call for consensus closes
tomorrow
... the final one this week is ISSUE-27 rel-ownership
ISSUE-27?
<trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27: @rel value ownership, registry consideration - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: straw poll for objections
closes April 1
... included in the agenda but already covered, we appreciate
the work being done to consolidate proposals on 152
... issue-144 conforming-u
ISSUE-144?
<trackbot> ISSUE-144 -- <u> should be conforming -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/144
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-144: should be conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: straw poll for objections
closes April 4
... ISSUE-155 table border
ISSUE-155?
<trackbot> ISSUE-155 -- make <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> conforming -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/155
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-155: make conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: poll also closes April
4
... questions or comments?
SR: we have two
... first a call for consensus to publish 8 heartbeat
drafts
<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0576.html
<pimpbot> Title: CfC: Publish eight heartbeat drafts as WDs from Paul Cotton on 2011-03-24 (public-html@w3.org from March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0591.html
<pimpbot> Title: CfC: Publish a first public WD from Paul Cotton on 2011-03-24 (public-html@w3.org from March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
SR: next is a call for consensus
to publish an FPWD of the accessibility platform implementation
guide
... so far have only heard positive responses
... next up is new surveys this week
SR: ISSUE-31/ISSUE-80 missing-alt
and title-alternative
... we have three polls covering those two issues
<rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-31-80-validation-objection-poll/
<rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-31-80-requirements-objection-poll/
<rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-31-81-verbiage-objection-poll/
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10671] consider removing support for PUT and DELETE as form methods <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0867.html> 4** [Bug 9178] add definition of "conforming document" <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0866.html>
SR: complicated issue with 8
proposals to untangle
... we did get questions about one of the polls, and Maciej has
made some clarifications in response
... next up is ISSUE-144 conforming-u
ISSUE-144?
<trackbot> ISSUE-144 -- <u> should be conforming -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/144
<rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-144-objection-poll/
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-144: should be conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: survey closes April 4th
... next is ISSUE-147 playback-rate-undefined
<rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-147-objection-poll/
ISSUE-147?
<trackbot> ISSUE-147 -- playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/147
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-147: playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent cant play back at the requested rate - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: that closes April 5th
... finally, ISSUE-155 table-border
<rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-155-objection-poll/
ISSUE-155?
<trackbot> ISSUE-155 -- make <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> conforming -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/155
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-155: make conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
SR: also closes April 4th
... by Tuesday, all surveys will be complete, with the
exception of 152
SR: there were three
... the first is rdfa-prefixes
ISSUE-120?
<trackbot> ISSUE-120 -- Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/120
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-120: Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0689.html
<pimpbot> Title: Working Group Decision on ISSUE-120 rdfa-prefixes from Sam Ruby on 2011-03-29 (public-html@w3.org from March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
<rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/formal-objection-status.html#ISSUE-120
<pimpbot> Title: Formal Objection Status (at dev.w3.org)
SR: there has been a formal
objection
... next is ISSUE-122 shallott-example
ISSUE-122?
<trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-122: alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0691.html
<pimpbot> Title: Working Group Decision on ISSUE-122 shalott-example from Sam Ruby on 2011-03-29 (public-html@w3.org from March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
SR: finally poster-alt, ISSUE-142
ISSUE-142?
<trackbot> ISSUE-142 -- No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/142
<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0690.html
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-142: No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<pimpbot> Title: Working Group Decision on 142 poster-alt from Sam Ruby on 2011-03-29 (public-html@w3.org from March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
<rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/formal-objection-status.html#ISSUE-142
<pimpbot> Title: Formal Objection Status (at dev.w3.org)
MJS: 142 has also seen a formal objection
SR: that is correct
... any questions or comments?
SR: first up is testing TF
KK: we met last week
<krisk> Notes http://www.w3.org/2011/03/22-htmlt-minutes.html
KK: on March 22nd
<pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 22 Mar 2011 (at www.w3.org)
KK: we meet again this Tuesday
April 5th
... we approved 103 audio/video tests
... there are about 20 that need bug fixes based on
feedback
... there was a discussion about html5lib tests
... they will be moved over by James Graham
... discussion about a bunch of attribute tests that will be
approved
... that's it
SR: thank you -
questions/comments?
... next up, accessibility task force
JS: work continues focused on
ISSUE-152, we think we are making real good progress
... real-time conversation really helps
... face-to-face was really helpful
... we had two parallel meetings, media, and
canvas/longdesc/aria
... there is a canvas change proposal survey closing
... we talked about that some in the meeting again today
... in terms of longdesc we are watching Laura's proposal and
the discussion
... we expect to articulate TF consensus soon
... this should address criticism from the first round
SR: you are allowed to make
changes to the proposal
... questions/comments for Janina?
... hearing none, moving on
SR: does anyone have other topics
to bring up?
... hearing none
<adrianba> i will scribe
PC: it will be my turn to chair
SR: Adrian volunteers
... Thank you, Adrian!
SR: thanks everybody!
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