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<trackbot> Date: 24 March 2011
hmm, I think I need to switch my network connection
<scribe> scribe: MikeSmith
JF: Silvia had some discussion with Hixie… possibly leading to some level of agreement
… a guess is that they might be able to get closer to agreement in another week or three
frankolivier: we'd like to see pare down the number of change proposals
… we want ASAP some means for doing text-track enumeration and selection
… and for in-band tracks
… we don't have particularly strong positions on the syntax
… but we do want the functionality
eric_carlson: the proposal from Sylvia and I is similar in many ways to Hixie's proposal
… but there is a fundamental difference about whether the timelines are slaved together or not
… but I think we are close to having agreement on that
JF: question is, When? any sense of timing on that?
MikeSmith: frankolivier, are the differences among your change proposal and the ones for Hixie and Eric/Sylvia resolvable reasonably soon?
eric_carlson: we missed the fact that we didn't have a mechanism for selecting among in-band tracks
… but that definitely needs to be fixed
frankolivier: that is what my
proposal adds
... we have a lot of places where the caption format itself is
important to discuss
… in particular, the styling of captions
… and some of that needs to be done in the HTML5 spec itself, not in the caption-format spec
… we have an open bug for this now; the spec either needs to say that the captions are styleable from the page, or they are not
MikeSmith: janina, what do you think the consequences would be if we don't get a decision on this prior to LC?
janina: I don't think this is as critical [as some of the other media issues] to get resolved in time for LC; it's understood already that it's a relatively new issue [that came up fairly late in the process]
JF: and we still do not have
agreement about the caption format
... we are also wondering whether the WebVTT work will be
brought into the W3C
frankolivier: we would like to see [at least one caption format] that everybody is willing to implement as a baseline format -- but not to the exclusion of other formats
JF: I got the impression that [getting work started asap on a W3C WG for the caption format] is not a high priority
judy: no, this is actively being looked at
judy: my understanding is that there was some progress made in discussion about longdesc
… not sure if there was additional discussion later in the day at the f2f on Saturday or on Sunday at all
<JF> http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/img-longdesc.html#long
judy: it would be helpful to have a clear TF proposal [endorsed by the TF]
… I think having a clear TF proposal for restoring longdesc would be helpful
… of course, it would be useful to also include details about possible future directions, because it seems clear that longdesc is not where we all want to end up
judy: is there any progress that
could be made by summarizing where we are now on this?
... we had hoped that there would be a way to address this very
early in the LC period, but that seems less likely now
… for one thing, we do not have a proposal from the TF
… only from individuals
JF: Hixie was somewhat dismissive of the proposed text that Steve Faulkner wrote up
judy: I am still hoping a call
for alternative proposals could be issued sooner rather than
later
... I would be interested in seeing John and Steve continue to
work on [refining the proposal that's been submitted]
… and it would be valuable to have a statement coming from the TF on this
JF: yeah, maybe we need to do that
judy: we need a stable proposal
from the TF that reflects the discussion that took place during
the f2f
... do you think we can have that by the beginning of the
week
JF: the more we extend what's in the proposal now, the more risk there is of pushback
… we are already getting feedback that it should going in UAAG
JF: so as I understand this conversation, we need a position statement from the TF, and prior to that, we need to [get feedback from the TF]
<scribe> ACTION: John to send a draft statement on longdesc to the TF by early next week, in anticipation of polling the TF to measure agreement on the position statement in that draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/24-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-120 - Send a draft statement on longdesc to the TF by early next week, in anticipation of polling the TF to measure agreement on the position statement in that draft [on John Foliot - due 2011-03-31].
<JF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0074.html
judy: we are still interested in inviting discussion on one or two possibilities for getting this in still before LC
JF: I'm just seeking clarification about dates
adjourned
<Stevef> getting conference resricted on the phone
<Stevef> restricted
<Stevef> i know why now, I am 1 hour late - damned time zone chnages!
Stevef: yeah, I should have gotten the agenda out earlier and made it clear it was an hour earlier
sorry
<Stevef> no problem, joined the html call instead
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