W3C

Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference

23 Mar 2011

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Addison, Richard, Felix, Mati, Kenny, Koji, Andrew, Aharon, David
Regrets
Gwyneth
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips

Contents


<aharon> FYI, unfortunately, I only have half an hour today.

Minutes and Agenda review

Action Items

Review techniques index pages to check that all the current links in the index point to the right place

(kenny)

<kennyluck> needs more time.

thanks

close ACTION-24

<trackbot> ACTION-24 Send addison tools for conversion to HTML closed

Finish edits and convert time zones document to HTML

Ping Unicode via liasion about LISA standards status

Info Share

<kennyluck> renderingUA

kenny: html spec now has section on rendering UA
... default stylesheets for almost all elements
... not required to support all default style sheets
... but now editor now says UAs that support stylesheets MUST support these sheets no matter they are purely presentational like font-size, etc. or bidi properties
... so now we can write tests
... think aharon filed a bug like this

aharon: did file such a bug
... sound like a good development

Language preference setting in a browser

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011Mar/0011.html

http://www.w3.org/International/questions/temp.php

richard: okay to publish?

<scribe> ACTION: all: review the proposed new version of language preferences and send comments to public-i18n@ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - all

Richard's Info Share

richard: HTML announced recently that they will create their own IRI section
... because work going too slowly on ietf spec

<inserted> HTML WG's decision on reference to IRI

I18N-ISSUE 17 Should UTF-16 be valid in (polyglot) HTML5 documents?

http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/17

http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-xhtml-author-guide/html-xhtml-authoring-guide.html#character-encoding

Previously the polyglot document allowed only UTF-8 and UTF-16 encodings. Leif Silli has proposed that only UTF-8 be allowed, and the editor of the polyglot document has changed the specification to say that.

richard: think maybe somebody might think UTF-16 is important enough to keep???
... don't follow Leif's argument that it should be banned because HTML5 doesn't necessarily support it

david: think it's a good step
... tools and parsers can be just that little bit simpler

addison: is our official position "don't care"

<scribe> ACTION: addison: send note to html wg saying "no objection" is our official position on issue 17 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - Send note to html wg saying "no objection" is our official position on issue 17 [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-03-30].

ISSUE-88 resolution (??)

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011JanMar/0111.html

http://www.w3.org/mid/4D84B9B4.3040809@intertwingly.net

Therefore, the HTML Working Group hereby adopts the Change Proposal to make Content-Language non-conforming. Of the Change Proposals before us, this one has drawn the weaker objections.

addison: so documents with cl are invalid
... but maintain rules allowing mapping of CL to html@lang if not present
... two issues:
... 1. are we okay with this?
... 2. do we want to change any of the remaining rules?
... on the one hand, makes our lives MUCH easier
... but it's odd to pick the one header out of the HTTP forest to make invalid

richard: on balance happy to see it go

<meta language="xxx" />

david: not going to upset very many people, but makes many people's lives easier

andrewc: possible to use other metadata schemas to do the same thing

richard: that would be a lot clearer than this
... and its use hsa been perverted
... which we want to stop
... (not make equivalent to @lang)

<aharon> FWIW, from someone who does not know much about the issue, proposal sounds good to me.

addison: so does this mean we have strong support?

richard: with regret, yes

<fsasaki> no objections

<kennyluck> no objections.

<David> +1

<matial> no objections

<aharon> no objections

<andrewc> no objections

<aharon> Sorry, have to go now.

addison: +1

<scribe> ACTION: addison: write a response on issue 88 indicating our support for the decision [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-32 - Write a response on issue 88 indicating our support for the decision [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-03-30].

CSS3 writing mode, text module

anything to cover this week? some responses from fantasai...

<kennyluck> +q

richard: meta discussion about how to track these issues?
... lots of stuff we don't really track
... issue 17, for example....
... this was something going on on the html list
... so turned into issue
... in the past we track WG comments that way (prior to our endorsement)
... after review
... but this one was just something that I turned into an issue
... somebody could raise to issue status
... lots and lots tho'
... or could create a table or list

addison: using issues makes easy to track

richard: will it cause problems since it mixes formal issues from informal issues
... who should we address these issues to? what list?
... so far tracked on public-i18n-core@
... html one went to www-international@
... but also raised on html@
... some visual confusion issues

addison: public general purpose issues on winter but WG issues on public?
... or *also* on public?
... try for awhile---raising as issues in tracker when we see a thread of interest

?

richard: (gives example)

addison: need to track WG issues because we'll be asked if we're satisfied

richard: only track on our own?
... but better to inject our tracker issue # into actual discussion so that it captures the thread
... two products for any spec... one for formal comments and one for any other issues
... may copy same lists but otherwise distinguish

addison: acks kenny

kenny: next week

AOB?

regrets next week: richard

regrets coming for david

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: send note to html wg saying "no objection" is our official position on issue 17 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: write a response on issue 88 indicating our support for the decision [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: all: review the proposed new version of language preferences and send comments to public-i18n@ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
 
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