W3C

Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference

16 Feb 2011

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Addison_Phillips, matial, kennyluck, Richard, Gwyneth, David, Norbert
Regrets
Felix
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips

Contents


agenda is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011Feb/0006.html

plus your two items

Agenda and Minutes

(richard has two agenda+ items)

Action Items

Change the language tags article to say that now there is an extension defined, and describe it briefly

action is done "I hope"

Check on HTML5 language tag validator and send any comments

Ask HTML5 WG about still open bug process

close ACTION-16

<trackbot> ACTION-16 Ask HTML5 WG about still open bug process closed

Fire up the time of this conference Doodle poll

close ACTION-17

<trackbot> ACTION-17 Fire up the time of this conference Doodle poll closed

david: please put your votes in

Forward reply on widgets P&C defaultlocale to webapps

close ACTION-18

<trackbot> ACTION-18 Forward reply on widgets P&C defaultlocale to webapps closed

Query HTML5 about issue 88

close ACTION-19

<trackbot> ACTION-19 Query HTML5 about issue 88 closed

Remind everyone to review Unicode in XML for approval next week (16 February)

close ACTION-20

<trackbot> ACTION-20 Remind everyone to review Unicode in XML for approval next week (16 February) closed

Review techniques index pages to check that all the current links in the index point to the right place

Info Share

kennyluck: www-international@ conversation about adding $ to CSS
... several comments about it
... problem is that some keyboard layouts don't have $ symbol

add topic to agenda for next week

HTML5 progress report

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011JanMar/0050.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011JanMar/0048.html

html issue 88 is pending html chair decision

addison: explains call with paul

Bless changes to Language tags article

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/articles/language-tags/temp.php#extension

richard: sent item to list asking for comments
... got some comments from Martin

gwyneth: like the first sentence

<kennyluck> [[If you feel you really need to use these subtags, you should read the specification, rather than this article.]]

<scribe> chair: objections to publication?

<scribe> ACTION: richard: publish language tags article [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/16-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - Publish language tags article [on Richard Ishida - due 2011-02-23].

<kennyluck> +1 the multicolor is a bit.... too shiny :)

david: colors might be difficult in terms of accessibility?

richard: shouldn't be a problem, and they are only cosmetic (you can read the article equally well without them)

Question about <meta name="language">

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011Feb/0008.html

richard: how to deal with search information in the correct language

[1] search engines typically ignore language declarations these days, and instead analyse the language of the page using their own algorithms. (This does not negate the value of declaring the language of your page, since that information can be used for purposes other than search engine retrieval.)

[2] the articles cited above refer to the use of meta elements to describe metadata about the language of the document. There have been discussions about the meta content-language element in the HTML5 Working Group recently. A decision is still pending, but it seems likely that that element will be removed from HTML5 (at which point we will rewrite our advice). There is no clear alternative way of specifying language-related metadata being proposed to

norbert: mention lang attribute being used by screen readers (for example)
... so it is useful

richard: may need to reinforce

<kennyluck> +1 to mention how lang is used by other UAs

richard: that it is useful for some things

UTR#20 (Unicode in XML)

http://www.w3.org/International/docs/unicode-xml/

only one substantive change

richard: moved comments to www-international

addison: need to address charmod-norm

richard: next step is go to Unicode Editorial committee
... in the meantime we would look at substantive changes
... some things not closed, e.g. <br> tag

addison: need to tell both unicode and the public that a revision is coming

norbert: mostly to update to unicode 6.0
... a number of character tables
... do these need to be updated? were they checked?

richard: weren't going to address now?

norbert: would need to update lists with any new characters that fit

richard: put that to unicode edcom
... let them decide if any characters should be "xml deprecated from birth"

<scribe> ACTION: addison: propose advancement of UTR#20 to publication based on our revision and noting that we plan a substantive revision [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/16-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - Propose advancement of UTR#20 to publication based on our revision and noting that we plan a substantive revision [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-02-23].

What Time is this Call At?

david: still missing some people's votes

currently 1500UTC on Wednesday is the leader

scribe: that would be the current time

http://doodle.com/b58wqx87g4hqgkbc

one more week to respond!!

nudge people not calling in because the time is inconvenient

Polyglot

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011JanMar/0040.html

Working with Time Zones progress

AOB?

matial: some comments on CSS3 writing-mode

addison: send them to public-i18n for consideration as WG comments
... or send to www-style@ and www-international@ as personal comments
... or send to www-international@ just for consideration

richard: also use public-i18n-bidi or public-i18n-cjk if appropriate
... remembered that...
... comments to HTML5 on bidi

richard: put in links
... started creating new subsections in WG Note
... summarizing what happened in the end
... and in some cases for CSS also

richard: document currently called "bidi requirements for html5"
... planning to add "... and CSS" to title

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: propose advancement of UTR#20 to publication based on our revision and noting that we plan a substantive revision [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/16-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: publish language tags article [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/16-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
 
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