<trackbot> Date: 19 January 2011

Chris are you calling in?

<ChrisL> yes, sorry I have another call back to back with this one

<ChrisL> zakim seems to knot know the call started

Vlad: can we recover previous minutes; Chris, maybe some

<ChrisL> IRC log of last weeks call http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-webfonts-irc

Last Call responses

Vlad: ref. Jonathan's proposal to resolve issue 8

localisation of credit elements using multiple credit elements

Tal: support

Vlad: caveat that this causes bloat of metadata

<ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html

<ChrisL> so that is 14. I18N-ISSUE-8: Direction attributes needed

I18N-ISSUE-8 = WebFonts 14

No objections; response to I18n assigned to Jonathan

<ChrisL> ACTION jonathan to respons on issue-14

<trackbot> Created ACTION-57 - Respons on issue-14 [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26].

ACTION Tal revise test cases to allow multiple credit elements

<trackbot> Created ACTION-58 - Revise test cases to allow multiple credit elements [on Tal Leming - due 2011-01-26].

<ChrisL> 9. I18n-ISSUE-2: Why not using xml:lang?

Chris: propose XML:lang but backwards compatible option to allow lang

<scribe> new content to use XML:lang

Tal: will require test updates

Vlad: should avoid allowing both

Chris: agree

ACTION Chris Respond to I18n-ISSUE-2

<trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Respond to I18n-ISSUE-2 [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-01-26].

Wait for I18n response to proposals before Tal revises tests

11. I18n-ISSUE-5: Use of attributes for human readable text [WOFF] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0104.html

Tal: will change to credit elements help resolve this?

Vlad: I18n also concerned that markup cannot be used with attributes

John: can we version metadata?

Chris: possible, but concerns about opening the door to version 2 metadata
... but other concerns about I18n pushback

Vlad: existing metadata acceptable in XML terms; how serious is e.g. markup in credits

Chris: possible use case for markup in credit: ruby notation

John: might I18n be satisfied with version 1 backwards compatible fixes + review for possible version 2

Chris: maybe, but they might come back with 'Why not get it right first time?'

Vlad: two concerns: localisation (already addressed, issue 8); inability to use markup.

Markup need not anticipated, except edge case

scribe: respond partial resolution (issue 8) but need to maintain backwards compatibility, ref. charter

[issue 8]

hmm, 8 + paren is emoticon

General response to I18n: we seek to resolve their issues within the framework of maintaining backwards compatibility

<ChrisL> 12. I18N-ISSUE-6: Localization mechanism too restricted

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0105.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0108.html

<ChrisL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0105.html

Possible use of ...lang mechanism for vendor, credit and licensee elements

Vlad: what would happen to e.g. name attribute in vendor element with use of ..lang

Chris: ask Liam

ACTION Vlad Contact Liam re. XML questions

<trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Contact Liam re. XML questions [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2011-01-26].

I18N-ISSUE-7: Paragraphs and inline content [WOFF]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0106.html

Vlad: allow markup in text elements

Chris: even if no, the spec needs to be revised
... add div and span

ACTION Chris To provide samples and respond to I18n

<trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Provide samples and respond to I18n [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-01-26].

ACTION Jonathan To modify spec text re. div and span in text elements

<trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Modify spec text re. div and span in text elements [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26].

<ChrisL> Questions from SZilles (adobe) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0001.html

Chris: agree comment 1, suggest splitting introduction into two sections

ACTION Chris Respond to Stephen Zilles re. introduction/normative

<trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Respond to Stephen Zilles re. introduction/normative [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-01-26].

ACTION Jonathan Remove normative statements from introduction to new section 'General Requirements'

<trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Remove normative statements from introduction to new section 'General Requirements' [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26].

Chris: 2. Unique ID; incorrect, but will revise spec to clarify

ACTION Chris Respond to Stephen Zilles re. uniqueid

<trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Respond to Stephen Zilles re. uniqueid [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-01-26].

Possible future action on Jonathan

Chris: 3. confusion over possible presence of children of localisable elements
... unclear to at least two people, so text needs to be clearer

Vlad: is that SZ's actual concern?

<ChrisL> text content and child elements

Vlad: modify, 'every time an element may be localised' add mention of children

ACTION Jonathan Edit spec 'this element may be localised' replaced 'this element may be localised using text child element'

<trackbot> Created ACTION-66 - Edit spec 'this element may be localised' replaced 'this element may be localised using text child element' [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26].

ACTION Jonathan Edit section 6, past paragraph: 'at least one text sub element' replaced by 'at least one text child element'.

<trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - Edit section 6, past paragraph: 'at least one text sub element' replaced by 'at least one text child element'. [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26].

ACTION Jonathan General replacement: 'sub elements' to 'child elements'

<trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - General replacement: 'sub elements' to 'child elements' [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26].

<ChrisL> Bert's comments http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0009.html

Address in email

SZ No.4 : repeat of conformance criteria in two places

Make one informative and link to normative

Chris + Vlad : possibly remove summary

Chris: summary derivable, hence redundant

Agreed

Question to be posed on email in case of objections

ACTION Vlad Enquire on email re. removal of summary of conformance requirements

<trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Enquire on email re. removal of summary of conformance requirements [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2011-01-26].

Vlad: travelling next week, so might not make call; discuss Bert Bos' comments on email; skip next week's call

<ChrisL> next week canceled

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