<trackbot> Date: 04 January 2011

<Client> scribenick: li

agenda

bob: agenda approved
... minutes approved

<dug> Gil - the f2f is at redwood shores, right?

next f2f meeting

bob: microsoft is ram + 1,2
... no pre registration needed to attend f2f

<dug> no strategery discussions ;-)

<Client> New issue http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11667

11667

bob: the above issue is opened

<dug> options: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Dec/att-0028/00-part

gil: discuss approaches to 11667
... incline to support both

wu: fine with that

gil: i can come up needed text in ws-e 2.3

test Scenarios

<gpilz> Add the following sentence to the end of the 2nd paragraph of Section 2.3: Conformant Event Source implementations MUST support both wrapped and unwrapped notifications.

dug: how about in 3.4?

<dug> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/wsmex.html#Compliance

bob: resolution to 11667 per gil's sentence in ws-e 2.3
... 11667 resolved w/o objection

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11551

<Client> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2011Jan/0003.html

<dug> +q

bob: there is a mime type proposal for the issue in the link

<Tom_Rutt> i am now present on the call

gil: describe his proposal per wsdl 2.0 approach

<dug> queue

<Yves> actually, you should look at 3023bis, even if 3023 is the current "stable"

<dug> +q

discuss problem with mime type and URI fragment

dug: rename name to id to avoid conflict

yves and gil: sounds fine

tom: id is ncname

<Ashok> From XML Schema: The ·value space· of ID is the set of all strings that ·match· the NCName production in [Namespaces in XML].

bob: issue 11551 resolved w/o objection (replace name attribute with id in evd)

dug: can do these changes tonight

<dug> ah, now I see "jessica"

gil: will not implement xpath in ws-e

dug: intend to do as many as possible

bob: mark optional feataures w/o implementation as "at risk"
... and they will disappear
... propose to mark all features "at risk" going into CR

s/all feateures/all optional features/

CR schedule

UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: unless there are two implementations

dug: what qualifies as implementation, e.g ws-policy?

bob: implementation exhibits required behaviors

dug: what does an implementation need to do keep ws-policy?

bob: wsdl is sufficient

katy: we can test server behavior associated with policy

<Katy> We can test that service errors indicating non-support should not contradict advertised policies

ashok: two wsdl with different policy should have different behaviors

dug: expose policy in wsdl is enough?

gil: policy associated behaviors can be hard-coded or tool derived, therefore it is hard to decide which was done

katy: behaviors exposed by policy should not be contradicted by protocol messages

bob: we do need to test policy are well-formed

tom: there is no need for test cases for policy

<dug> +q

<dug> -q

bob: mark all options at risk or everyone marks those to implement in week?
... to point feature list locations and AI to mark them up
... need to resolve issues in remind status

<Client> test scenarios http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/scenario.html

test scenarios

ram: is there a separate doc for ws-enu?

bob: folks need to mark feature list as implemented, not implemented, or dont know

<dug> ram: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/scenario.xml and there are some templates in the enum section that nathan can follow

bob: defer primers to after test cases

<asoldano> bye

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2011Jan/0002.html
Found Date: 04 Jan 2011
Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2011/01/04-ws-ra-minutes.html
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