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<janina> agenda: this
<JF> hello
<janina> scribe: John_Foliot
<JF> scribe: JF
JS: the one issue we have is assigned to Sean, who is regrets this week
JS: Silvia is very concerned about the language - is politically loaded
this is/was not our intent
would like to give her the opportunity to tweak the language before we forward that document
JB: suggests that "at an early stage" is not as prejudicial as immature
[looking to see if Silvia is able to join us today]
JS: suggesting to set this aside for now
Sean said that Frank would have attend last week's call - no issue. Geoff was happy with the document, but silvia had significant issues and we want to ensure that those issues are/were addressed
EC: impression was that the wording in the TTML section was political (+ the reference to immature for WebSRT)
JB: it would be a shame after all
this work to not have a good result as we close to the
end
... we should take a try at addressing those concerns, and then
give Silvia a 24-hour time-period to comment or equiv.
... it has been noted that we have looked at issues thta have
strayed from 'pure' accessibility issues
and that this seems to be the issue here
JS: agrees that dropping lack of endorsement as a criteria, believe that Adoption and w3C standard are factual and non-political. Change immature to still under development
<janina> Yeah, Silvia!
JB: sorting out our own understanding on language issues, then focus in to ensure we have agreement
SP: basid issues is that most of the arguments are not technical but political
<Judy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Dec/0110.html
SP: concern is that it dilutes the technical issues
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/TextFormat_Pros_Cons_Overview
JB: it is important that we use neutral wording
we should apply an 'objectivity' filter
[collectively working on edits to the Pros/cons document]
JB: perhaps the labeling is what is giving us the troubles: Pros and Cons
Presentation Profile of TTML http://www.w3.org/ns/ttml/profile/dfxp-presentation
reference to Basic Profile however this is no actual "Basic" profile - would like a link and use the proper name
SP: I have looked at the profiles in TTML
Transformation Profile is not fully supporting our needs
JB: would like to suggest some labeling ideas
for Con change to Work Needed
discussion of labelling
[the members of the call have been suggesting minor edits to the document, which is being edited in real time and the reveiwed]
<silvia> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/TextFormat_Comparison_Overview <- new doc
JB: 2 final questions on the editing process we've undergone?
1) are there any other squarepegs we've missed
2) for those who were unable to join us, can we get a 24 hour window for them to respond to these edits?
RESOLUTOIN: ask the missing participants to comment by Friday Dec. 17th noon Boston. If no controversy then post, else finalresolution via the mailing list.
RESOLUTION: ask the missing participants to comment by Friday Dec. 17th noon Boston. If no controversy then post, else finalresolution via the mailing list.
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