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<scribe> Scribe: Addison Phillips
<scribe> ScribeNick: aphillip
<r12a> Koan-Sin Tan
<scribe> ACTION: all: review working with time zones with an eye to publishing to wider review for next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
addison: send update note to
public@ about WWTZ to remind all to review document
... reply to widgets in favor of Marcos's solution and asking
for locale to be returned to the API
aharon: check DOM3 events to see if they have included our issue about keyboard locale
kenny: webkit has vertical text in nightly build
addison: and it's coming along pretty well
<freedom> vertical text in WebKit is for Mac platform only now
<r12a> i seem to have network connectivity again
<freedom> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48459
kennyluck: introducing
freedom...
... comes from Taiwan, interested in vertical text in epub
richard: writing modes spec is about to become a First Public Working Draft
<kennyluck> aphillip: Was that part of the the transitions?
<kennyluck> r12a: yeah
<kennyluck> aphillip: I have an agendum item about bidi, but we don't have bidi people here for today.
richard summarizes
richard: aharon making a summary
document
... lots of progress
<r12a> http://freebsd.csie.nctu.edu.tw/~freedom/html5/vertical-hant-2.html
<kennyluck> Aharon's document
richard: small question
first
... at the freebsd link above...
... there are small spaces after punctuation marks
... why is that?
<r12a> 中。 雕
<r12a> 4E2D [CJK Unified Ideographs]
<r12a> 3002 IDEOGRAPHIC FULL STOP
<r12a> 0020 SPACE
<r12a> 96D5 [CJK Unified Ideographs]
freedom: appears to be a typo
<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/tests-html-css/list-text-direction#verticaltext
richard: main point is that we
have beginnings of tests
... for vertical text
... good to keep them in same style and location
... in part because I can generate CSS tests in format that CSS
wg (such as fantasai) likes
... but also easier to maintain
... can you discuss tests with me, please?
kennyluck: referring to epub
folks such as EGLS
... will make efforts to get tests into W3C space
richard: if they have their own
test format, then we can talk to them about how to convert
their tests
... if the don't have tests yet, then perhaps we can ask them
to base on our format
freedom: created tests just to
see if they work
... I can modify my tests to match
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Dec/0001.html
kenny: we need to/might want to
add to review radar
... the CSS3 Text modules
kenny: problem in Indic
communities
... such as above comment to www-style
... above sends a document with browser/CSS bugs
... doesn't address every text feature
... and if others don't know how to address CSS
richard: this is a very old
document that has had a lot of input
... it is always good to have people look at it
... last call is important
... but also during document development
... as far as Indic is concerned, Somnath has requested a TF
and asked for a chair
... working on helping him to get TF started up
... document put together over the summer
... gave feedback about splitting up concerns
... part of answer is that we know about certain things
... but maybe some things are missing, which we'd like to hear
about them
... and native speakers input is valuable
... shouldn't be too worried about indic yet, since they are
just getting going but hope to be organized soon
<kennyluck> ahillip: Some of the vertical text examples use in the CSS spec had copyright issues, that we should try to avoid.
kenny: fantasai asked for Indic, SEA, and Arabic script text users
richard: is this the best time to
do it? might be
... can contact bidi folks on bidi list
... SEA is a little more complicated
... can ask www-international list
... but is this the best time to review?
kenny: not sure how we can make progress with out comments
andrew: discussion could break down because of browser support, etc.
<kennyluck> ACTION: kenny to ask the Korean HTML5 Interest Group what should happen if "word-break: keep-all" is used with "word-wrap: break-all" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/core/review-radar
<kennyluck> r12a: We can 1. send various mails to MLs 2. announce this in our homepage
<scribe> ACTION: richard: ask fantasai what bits of CSS3 are most interested in being commented upon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
richard: it turns out iPod/iOS4 now supports font downloads
richard: did some tests
... like webkit, it doesn't use opentype features
... so not that useful for many scripts
... but good to point it out anyway
<scribe> ACTION: richard: move the two I18N meetings so that they don't overlap [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
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