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LLD XG

18 Nov 2010

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Regrets
Gordon, Felix, Karen, Oreste, Monica, Lars, Bernard
Chair
Antoine
Scribe
Anette

Contents


<antoine> test

<antoine> Previous: 2010-11-11 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/11/11-lld-minutes.html

<antoine> Scribe: Anette

<antoine> Scribenick: AnetteS

<kcoyle> i have but you can.t hear me

<kcoyle> not sure what.s wrong, will come in on another line

<Andras> Zakim +[LC] is Andras

<jodi> TomB: sure :)

<jodi> +44 is UK

<jodi> Whose phone number is +44.361.279.aadd ?

<digikim> Shakespeare is from UK ;)

<jodi> digikim++

okay

Admin

Minutes from last week are posted.

<antoine>

Nobody has objections

RESOLUTION: Accept minutes of last week

<antoine>

We have entered our agenda into a wiki-page as the agenda is very long

We have a new member: alex

<antoine>

Alex: at University of Manchester
... building a live topic ontology of computer science using the conference management system
... interested in extracting semantic data from bodies of knowledge

Antoine welcomes Alex

Use cases

We have a running action to volunteer for a cluster

<scribe> ACTION: People who were not at the face‑to‑face meeting volunteer to join a cluster [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28‑lld‑minutes.html#a --done

<antoine> ACTION: People who were not at the face-to-face meeting volunteer to join a cluster [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-lld-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]

Six clusters

Antoine asks if a representative from one cluster volunteers for next week

<rsinger> next week is the thanksgiving holiday in the US, btw

<emma> not ready, sorry...

<edsu> yeah, i'm not going to be in channel next week

discussion can be informal; nothing needs to be polished

have to discuss clusters to meet dead line at end of december

edsu: exchanges emails about citation cluster for today; not ready yet
... confused about what we are supposed to be discussing when talking about cluster

<kcoyle> i'm not clear about that either

Antoine: Focussing on issues in the cluster could be subject of discussion.
... what we want to resolve with the use cases
... find general goals in the use cases

<antoine>

Antoine: extract a list of generic goals from the use cases

<antoine>

Antoine: JISC link: find scenarios for library linked data
... we are aiming at something similar: scenarios and use cases

<kcoyle> i also like that they present it in a grid -- it's easy to understand

koyle: find goals and link back to use cases
... their goals are more specific than ours

Antoine: Need more discussion on that

<kcoyle> i got dropped. will come back in

jodi: compare jisc cases with ours; refine them

<jodi> (refine both ours and potentially theirs)

<Zakim> emma, you wanted to comment on scenarios

emma: use cases should become more abstract scenarios

<kcoyle> +1

<jeff_> +1

emma: then they can be part of the report
... have one or two scenarios per cluster

<edsu> +1

<Asaf> +1 re UC abstraction.

<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to ask Monica to lead discussion about JISC use cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action03]

Antoine: need shepherds for a few use cases
... who will volunteer : need 2 shepherds
... Bridging OWL and UML - Jeff has authored it; not really a use case, more a way of thinking about it
... it can be on its own wiki page, but not as a use case

TomB: alternative proposal: let Jeff shepherd his own use case

<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to propose that we bend rules and let Jeff shepherd the OWL and UML use case

Jeff: thats okay

<Zakim> emma, you wanted to ask if it fits a cluster

Jeff: Could be part of vocabulary alignment

<marcia> I think that is a good idea

<marcia> +Jeff

<marcia> I think it is a higher level, abstract approach

<marcia> to vocabulary alignment

jACTION: Put use case Bridging OWL and UML to Vocabulary Alignment

<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to put use case Bridging OWL and UML to Vocabulary Alignment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action04]

Use case: Academic documents: volunteers?

Andras volunteers

<emma> Action 4 done (just moved it on http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Cases)

Antoine: in which cluster should the UC be moved

<scribe> ACTION: People who didn't attend the face‑to‑face should volunteer to shepherd a new use case ‑‑ i.e., the cases marked "needs shepherd" in --DONE [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action05]

TOPICS

Antoine: do we want to keep track of all discussions in relation to Topics
... should we link between topics and discussions on the list or is it too much work?

TomB: we have a lot of valuable discussion on the list, but we should keep an eye on our goals
... discussions should be boiled down to a statement of the problem; summarize the state of discussion and solution
... link to thread in mailing list
... our final report should be more general than the specifics of the discussion

<kcoyle> agree

TomB: summary of discussions and leave details on mailing list

Jeff: example: VIAF modelling choices; discussion helped in thinking about it
... importance of consensus in modelling choices
... but in the context of the LLD-Group

I'm off the telephone, please take over somebody else

<emma> ... someone will have to explain the result & how the decision was made

<emma> Jeff: I'm willing to write a document

Emma: keeping track of discussion: linking from Wiki pages could be done on the fly, not later

TomB: propose to summarize discussions in one or two paragraphs that could be used in report
... as examples of the dialogs that need to be made

<Asaf> I think the VIAF dilemmas (polylemma?) are and would remain typical for implementations of LLD in the coming couple of years.

Jeff: agrees

<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to write one or two paragraphs on VIAF design discussions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action06]

<emma> I suggest that when we spot sth relevant, we link it from the corresponding topic page on the wiki

<kcoyle> i agree with tomB that we need to keep our eye on our specific goals

<jodi> emma++

<jodi> kcoyle: agreed -- our time is getting short

Antoine: if someone finds a relevant thread to associate to a topic, please link to topic

<emma> kcoyle++

<kcoyle> ok

<antoine> ACTION: GordonD and Antoine to study use cases that relate to vocabulary merging use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]

<antoine> ACTION: Jeff to review the UK eGovernment document on identifiers. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]

<antoine> See Jeff's post: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2010Nov/0111.html

<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to review the UK eGovernment document on identifiers. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action09]

Jeff would like feedback on it

Antoine: point from the topic to the discussion

<marcia> +Jeff

<scribe> ACTION: Alex, Jeff, Martin, MichaelP elaborate on general purpose IT architecture for dealing with linked data with caching feature [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24‑lld‑minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: Emma and Antoine to create use case DATA.SEARCH‑OPTIMIZATION [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24‑lld‑minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]

<digikim> jeff_: I'll take a look at the issue of URIs, might have some comments based on our experiences in Finland

<jeff_> digikim: thanks!

Antoine: in F2F meeting: long discussion in vocabulary design

<kcoyle> i don't remember that...

Antoine: has this been captured in the F2F outcomes

<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to propose that we give Jeff an action to describe the process of design discussion

Emma: Yes, has been captured
... and distributed

<scribe> ACTION: for each use case champion: on the Vocabularies page, link to each URL use case that uses it [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23‑lld‑minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES] [ONGOING]

<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to clarify whether Jeff's action to review the UK document is closed - in the minutes it has been reopened as a new action

<scribe> Topic : Other wiki pages

<TomB> NOTE: Action on Jeff re: UK eGov is DONE - "NEW" action for the same should be deleted.

<scribe> ACTION: William: to summarize options for using CKAN to the list, before next concall [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/11‑lld‑minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]

Cannot discuss other points. Will discuss next time

<scribe> Topic : F2F after SWIB in Cologne

Joachim has send an email and asked who will attend the meeting

scribe: at the moment: eight participants
... should work out an agenda what to discuss
... maybe: where are open ends?

Antoine: will be an informal meeting
... don't need a formal agenda

<Asaf> +1

People who shall participate at SWIB please stay on after the teleconference to discuss meeting

TomB: proposes that Zakim be reserved for informal meeting

<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to propose that Zakim be reserved for the informal meeting for purposes of scribing

Antoine: adjourns the teleconference

<jodi> thanks!

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Antoine to ask Monica to lead discussion about JISC use cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Antoine to put use case Bridging OWL and UML to Vocabulary Alignment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff to write one or two paragraphs on VIAF design discussions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff to review the UK eGovernment document on identifiers. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action09]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: Alex, Jeff, Martin, MichaelP elaborate on general purpose IT architecture for dealing with linked data with caching feature [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24‑lld‑minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Emma and Antoine to create use case DATA.SEARCH‑OPTIMIZATION [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24‑lld‑minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: for each use case champion: on the Vocabularies page, link to each URL use case that uses it [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23‑lld‑minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: GordonD and Antoine to study use cases that relate to vocabulary merging use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: William: to summarize options for using CKAN to the list, before next concall [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/11‑lld‑minutes.html#action01]
 
[DONE] ACTION: Jeff to review the UK eGovernment document on identifiers. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: People who didn't attend the face‑to‑face should volunteer to shepherd a new use case ‑‑ i.e., the cases marked "needs shepherd" in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: People who were not at the face-to-face meeting volunteer to join a cluster [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-lld-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: People who were not at the face‑to‑face meeting volunteer to join a cluster [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28‑lld‑minutes.html#a
 
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Regrets: Gordon Felix Karen Oreste Monica Lars Bernard
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Nov/0084.html
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