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<antoine> test
<antoine> Previous: 2010-11-11 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/11/11-lld-minutes.html
<antoine> Scribe: Anette
<antoine> Scribenick: AnetteS
<kcoyle> i have but you can.t hear me
<kcoyle> not sure what.s wrong, will come in on another line
<Andras> Zakim +[LC] is Andras
<jodi> TomB: sure :)
<jodi> +44 is UK
<jodi> Whose phone number is +44.361.279.aadd ?
<digikim> Shakespeare is from UK ;)
<jodi> digikim++
okay
Minutes from last week are posted.
Nobody has objections
RESOLUTION: Accept minutes of last week
We have entered our agenda into a wiki-page as the agenda is very long
We have a new member: alex
Alex: at University of
Manchester
... building a live topic ontology of computer science using
the conference management system
... interested in extracting semantic data from bodies of
knowledge
Antoine welcomes Alex
We have a running action to volunteer for a cluster
<scribe> ACTION: People who were not at the face‑to‑face meeting volunteer to join a cluster [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28‑lld‑minutes.html#a --done
<antoine> ACTION: People who were not at the face-to-face meeting volunteer to join a cluster [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-lld-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]
Antoine asks if a representative from one cluster volunteers for next week
<rsinger> next week is the thanksgiving holiday in the US, btw
<emma> not ready, sorry...
<edsu> yeah, i'm not going to be in channel next week
discussion can be informal; nothing needs to be polished
have to discuss clusters to meet dead line at end of december
edsu: exchanges emails about
citation cluster for today; not ready yet
... confused about what we are supposed to be discussing when
talking about cluster
<kcoyle> i'm not clear about that either
Antoine: Focussing on issues in
the cluster could be subject of discussion.
... what we want to resolve with the use cases
... find general goals in the use cases
Antoine: extract a list of generic goals from the use cases
Antoine: JISC link: find
scenarios for library linked data
... we are aiming at something similar: scenarios and use
cases
<kcoyle> i also like that they present it in a grid -- it's easy to understand
koyle: find goals and link back
to use cases
... their goals are more specific than ours
Antoine: Need more discussion on that
<kcoyle> i got dropped. will come back in
jodi: compare jisc cases with ours; refine them
<jodi> (refine both ours and potentially theirs)
<Zakim> emma, you wanted to comment on scenarios
emma: use cases should become more abstract scenarios
<kcoyle> +1
<jeff_> +1
emma: then they can be part of
the report
... have one or two scenarios per cluster
<edsu> +1
<Asaf> +1 re UC abstraction.
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to ask Monica to lead discussion about JISC use cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action03]
Antoine: need shepherds for a few
use cases
... who will volunteer : need 2 shepherds
... Bridging OWL and UML - Jeff has authored it; not really a
use case, more a way of thinking about it
... it can be on its own wiki page, but not as a use case
TomB: alternative proposal: let Jeff shepherd his own use case
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to propose that we bend rules and let Jeff shepherd the OWL and UML use case
Jeff: thats okay
<Zakim> emma, you wanted to ask if it fits a cluster
Jeff: Could be part of vocabulary alignment
<marcia> I think that is a good idea
<marcia> +Jeff
<marcia> I think it is a higher level, abstract approach
<marcia> to vocabulary alignment
jACTION: Put use case Bridging OWL and UML to Vocabulary Alignment
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to put use case Bridging OWL and UML to Vocabulary Alignment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action04]
Use case: Academic documents: volunteers?
Andras volunteers
<emma> Action 4 done (just moved it on http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Cases)
Antoine: in which cluster should the UC be moved
<scribe> ACTION: People who didn't attend the face‑to‑face should volunteer to shepherd a new use case ‑‑ i.e., the cases marked "needs shepherd" in --DONE [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action05]
Antoine: do we want to keep track
of all discussions in relation to Topics
... should we link between topics and discussions on the list
or is it too much work?
TomB: we have a lot of valuable
discussion on the list, but we should keep an eye on our
goals
... discussions should be boiled down to a statement of the
problem; summarize the state of discussion and solution
... link to thread in mailing list
... our final report should be more general than the specifics
of the discussion
<kcoyle> agree
TomB: summary of discussions and leave details on mailing list
Jeff: example: VIAF modelling
choices; discussion helped in thinking about it
... importance of consensus in modelling choices
... but in the context of the LLD-Group
I'm off the telephone, please take over somebody else
<emma> ... someone will have to explain the result & how the decision was made
<emma> Jeff: I'm willing to write a document
Emma: keeping track of discussion: linking from Wiki pages could be done on the fly, not later
TomB: propose to summarize
discussions in one or two paragraphs that could be used in
report
... as examples of the dialogs that need to be made
<Asaf> I think the VIAF dilemmas (polylemma?) are and would remain typical for implementations of LLD in the coming couple of years.
Jeff: agrees
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to write one or two paragraphs on VIAF design discussions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action06]
<emma> I suggest that when we spot sth relevant, we link it from the corresponding topic page on the wiki
<kcoyle> i agree with tomB that we need to keep our eye on our specific goals
<jodi> emma++
<jodi> kcoyle: agreed -- our time is getting short
Antoine: if someone finds a relevant thread to associate to a topic, please link to topic
<emma> kcoyle++
<kcoyle> ok
<antoine> ACTION: GordonD and Antoine to study use cases that relate to vocabulary merging use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
<antoine> ACTION: Jeff to review the UK eGovernment document on identifiers. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]
<antoine> See Jeff's post: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2010Nov/0111.html
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to review the UK eGovernment document on identifiers. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action09]
Jeff would like feedback on it
Antoine: point from the topic to the discussion
<marcia> +Jeff
<scribe> ACTION: Alex, Jeff, Martin, MichaelP elaborate on general purpose IT architecture for dealing with linked data with caching feature [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24‑lld‑minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Emma and Antoine to create use case DATA.SEARCH‑OPTIMIZATION [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24‑lld‑minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
<digikim> jeff_: I'll take a look at the issue of URIs, might have some comments based on our experiences in Finland
<jeff_> digikim: thanks!
Antoine: in F2F meeting: long discussion in vocabulary design
<kcoyle> i don't remember that...
Antoine: has this been captured in the F2F outcomes
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to propose that we give Jeff an action to describe the process of design discussion
Emma: Yes, has been
captured
... and distributed
<scribe> ACTION: for each use case champion: on the Vocabularies page, link to each URL use case that uses it [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23‑lld‑minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES] [ONGOING]
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to clarify whether Jeff's action to review the UK document is closed - in the minutes it has been reopened as a new action
<scribe> Topic : Other wiki pages
<TomB> NOTE: Action on Jeff re: UK eGov is DONE - "NEW" action for the same should be deleted.
<scribe> ACTION: William: to summarize options for using CKAN to the list, before next concall [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/11‑lld‑minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
Cannot discuss other points. Will discuss next time
<scribe> Topic : F2F after SWIB in Cologne
Joachim has send an email and asked who will attend the meeting
scribe: at the moment: eight
participants
... should work out an agenda what to discuss
... maybe: where are open ends?
Antoine: will be an informal
meeting
... don't need a formal agenda
<Asaf> +1
People who shall participate at SWIB please stay on after the teleconference to discuss meeting
TomB: proposes that Zakim be reserved for informal meeting
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to propose that Zakim be reserved for the informal meeting for purposes of scribing
Antoine: adjourns the teleconference
<jodi> thanks!
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