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<scribe> Scribe: Andi
David filed a bug on Firefox to possibly change behavior
DB: curious what IE does with this
CS: think IE does use elements with role="presentation" that are referenced by aria-labeledby in the name calculation
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10288
DB: FF doesn't do anything for
thead, tbody, tfooter because there is nothing on the desktop
side to map it to
... rowgroup is similar to tbody
... if there is a need to do it, we can. Significant
engineering effort. Need clearer direction with what to do with
rowgroup
AS: what is the history of how this got added to WAI-ARIA?
DB: may have come from SAP for things like treegrids?
<scribe> ACTION: David to e-mail Rich to understand the driver for this role [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7128
<scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to investigate IE behavior when aria-labeledby points to an element with role="presentation" (bug 9656) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-aapi-minutes.html#action02]
DB: AT tries to set focus to
active descendent
... FF tries to set focus to container that has
aria-activedescendent
... if the container is not focusable, it's an author error
<scribe> ACTION: Andi to add to alert and alertdialog in the mapping table: "User agents MAY cause a system alert notification" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-aapi-minutes.html#action03]
defer: this is for ARIA 2.0
CS: think this is overcome by events
same as 442 but for FF
close both 442 and 443 as OBE
change due date to December 10th
change due date to December 10th
AS: sounds like a big work item. this is a good topic to ask for help on
change due date to December 17th
<scribe> ACTION: Andi to follow up with Apple for API mapping for aria-dropeffect [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-aapi-minutes.html#action04]
assign to Andi and change due date to December 2nd
DB: confirm that Firefox is the only one with differing behavior
CS: think this is right. IE tends not to take things out of the tree
DB: some DHTML libraries are using aria-hidden for dialogs to restrict AT ability to do something
CS: think modal dialog proposal in HTML 5 is a much better way to handle
DB: problem on desktop too?
CS: less of a problem on the
desktop because the dialog is really a separate window
... seems like this would be better to handle in the
AT
<scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to find out what IE plans to do with aria-hidden. Does it take it out of the tree? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-aapi-minutes.html#action05]
same as 166 and 632 but says the UA MUST issue an alert
AS: this action is the result of closing comment 325 so we have to make it a must
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