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<mjs> morning, folks
<trackbot> Date: 28 October 2010
<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-28: status of actions, calls, issues, heartbeat drafts, TPAC, Task Force reports from Paul Cotton on 2010-10-28 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
<janina> Good morning!
<mjs> I'm dialing
<paulc> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0005.html
<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-28: status of actions, calls, issues, heartbeat drafts, TPAC, Task Force reports from Paul Cotton on 2010-10-28 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
<scribe> ScribeNick: adrianba
<scribe> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
ACTION-187?
<trackbot> ACTION-187 -- Maciej Stachowiak to inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted -- due 2010-10-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/187
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-187: Inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: that is done - sent that
notice
... caused some discussion on the mailing list including some
pushback
... encourage anyone else with comments to read and review the
requirements
<paulc> close ACTION-187
<trackbot> ACTION-187 Inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted closed
mjs: chairs entered some of the tracker backlog into the tracker since the last telcon so there are quite a few
ISSUE-132?
<trackbot> ISSUE-132 -- Drop the color input type -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/132
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-132: Drop the color input type - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: suggests removing the input type=color control
ISSUE-133?
mjs: request to add some functionality - an attribute for a modal dialog
ISSUE-134?
<trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
<trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-135?
<trackbot> ISSUE-135 -- put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/135
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-135: put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: suggests adding link back to the w3c canvas spec
ISSUE-136?
<trackbot> ISSUE-136 -- would the <small> element be better handled in CSS? -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/136
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-136: would the element be better handled in CSS? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: suggests removing the small element
ISSUE-137?
<trackbot> ISSUE-137 -- Since Javascript does not support mode specifiers inside the regular expression, there is no simple way of matching a single word case-insensitively besides turning into [Ww][Oo][Rr][Dd] -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/137
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-137: Since Javascript does not support mode specifiers inside the regular expression, there is no simple way of matching a single word case-insensitively besides turning into [Ww][Oo][Rr][Dd] - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-138?
<trackbot> ISSUE-138 -- "mutate action" for issueing a GET request is misleading -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/138
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-138: "mutate action" for issueing a GET request is misleading - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: this is about form
submission algorithm in the spec
... and the particular way it describes some things is
confusing - suggested changes to fix that
ISSUE-139?
<trackbot> ISSUE-139 -- HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/139
mjs: suggests moving the acknowledgements for microdata from the html5 spec to the microdata spec
ISSUE-140?
<trackbot> ISSUE-140 -- clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/140
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-140: clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: this is about having the
term conforming document defined with the relationship to
applicable specs
... currently caught up with tracker requests
... we've gone through most of the bugs for last call
already
... encourage people to review the issues to see if they want
to write a change proposal
... questions or comments?
ISSUE-121?
<trackbot> ISSUE-121 -- Do not ignore HTTP caching rules -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/121
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-121: Do not ignore HTTP caching rules - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: http-caching - change
proposal due oct 30, saturday
... should volunteer by then or it will be closed without
prejudice
ISSUE-122?
<trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-122: alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: already have a call for
proposal - only have null proposal but not a proposal for the
original issue
... chairs reviewed and decided it made more sense to apply the
reasoning of this issue to all the wg publications
... that means that we're asking again for proposals given the
expanded scope
... and asking for the original proposal to be updated to
include proposals for all drafts
mjs: our heartbeat publications
did get published
... we had another round of all 8 of our drafts published once
again
... good to keep that heartbeat going
paulc: we made a change at the
last moment to take comment form off the html5 document and we
discovered that microdata and canvas also had the form
... and so those have been removed for now too
... chairs did take that feedback from the working group
mjs: next week is w3c technical
plenary and advisory commitee meeting
... html wg will have a f2f on thursday/friday
... no telcon that week but will try to keep irc going
... so people will be able to participate by irc
... tp day will have interesting sessions including demo and
panel discussion about html
<JF> +q
mjs: link in the agenda to the
mail i sent out
... there have been comments on the mailing list
<JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Checklist
<pimpbot> Title: Media Accessibility Checklist - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
john: regarding the requirements,
if people could look at the checklist as a primary list
... one of the things we've tried to do is to map these
requirements against WCAG and UAAG
... and using must, should, may criteria
... if people could look at that and take that into account to
try to understand how we got to where we are
janina: i'm glad the discussion is happening - it was making me nervous that there wasn't any
cyns: glad to hear the questions about priority have been addressed - they will be important to make sure we have progress in html5
janina: we will do our best to participate in the discussion as well - haven't weighed in yet on the recent mails
paulc: janina and other people interested, do we have someone on point to suggest on thursday morning that we have a discussion during the f2f
janina: i am in favour of doing
that - thursday is the best day
... unfortunately not many media people will be there but have
indicated they can participate by telcon
... the more notice the better
paulc: i answered the logistical
set-up question for tpac and we didn't request telcon
facilities
... so it would have to be ad hoc
janina: okay
paulc: we didn't have that at
tpac 2009
... we said we would keep the irc channel open but not planning
for telcon to be available
<JF> +1 to skype
paulc: hard for people to hear on
the phone in a large room
... we can try to set-up something but someone needs to be on
point to arrange that
... if someone is going to use Skype or a personal laptop -
might be worth anchoring when that session should happen if we
consensus to hold it
... if we could have some discussion about having this on the
public list it would help
... that's what i meant by on point
... fyi, i did request a breakout room so we can do some topics
simultaneously
... it's very possible a lot of people will want to discuss
this topic
janina: i think looking for a
time might be a good thing to decide early but we might not be
able to resolve the technology before we get there
... since it is thur/fri we have time
cyns: might we worth mailing people who will be there to bring some hardware
janina: better to use a good device but we can try to do something
<MikeSmith> I'm not sure we necessarily need a speaker phone.. I have had good results with just using normal speaker and mike from my PC
<plh> Mike?
MikeSmith: in my exp.....
<plh> can't hear you
<Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to say that is normally works pretty well to just use Skype
janina: there isn't anything
particular to report beyond what was discussed already for
media
... groups continue to work but nothing particular to
report
krisk: we met as planned last week - on 10/19
<krisk> Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Oct/0024.html
<pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 10/19/2010 from Kris Krueger on 2010-10-28 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from October 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
krisk: there's no meeting on 11/2
because of tpac
... next meeting is 11/16 - schedule is on the wiki
... group approved more tests
... now have 212 approved tests
... we don't have any active bugs for approved tests at this
time, good
... other good stuff, microsoft updated test results for ie9
platform preview 6
... google also sent in results to the list so their results
are updated for chrome7
... which is good to see
... would be good to see other browser vendors update their
tests too - they're getting kind of old
... that's it - i'll be at tpac if anyone wants to talk about
testing
... any questions?
<mjs> sorry, I fell off the line, dialing again
http://test.w3.org/html/tests/reporting/report.htm
<pimpbot> Title: HTML5 Conformance Test Results (at test.w3.org)
paulc: krisk, are anticipating wanting to have a session during the f2f on testing?
krisk: yes, i'd like to
paulc: i'd encourage you to start
a thread on the mailing list
... you might suggest some items for discussion
... i'd like to start collecting stuff over the next week so we
aren't surprised by topics on thursday morning
<krisk> that makes sense - I'll send something out to the list before next thursday
mjs: chairs have made request to
revert changes to recent editor's draft
... that included link to whatwg draft and grayed out all the
text
... any questions or comments?
paulc: ian hasn't responded to my e-mail this morning but has responded to others
plh: disappointed by the attitude
of the editor at the moment, concerned about the current
situation
... only comment i want to make at this time
<paulc> Chairs request to revert change to Editor's Draft http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Oct/0436.html
<pimpbot> Title: RE: Request to Revert revision 1.4525 from Paul Cotton on 2010-10-28 (public-html@w3.org from October 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
julian: i have a question, does anyone know what the technical issue is that caused the change, if we know what it is we can understand how long it might be like this
mjs: i don't think so
... i did specifically ask that
julian: ok
mjs: anything else?
mjs: volunteers for two weeks from now?
paulc: may be my turn to chair
that meeting but that will be difficult for me to do because
that occurs on the 11th and i'll be travelling that week
... i could scribe but not chair
mjs: we'll discuss this amongst the chairs
mjs: adjourned - see you at tpac if you're there and on the telcon in 2 weeks
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