<trackbot> Date: 20 October 2010

<jfkthame> Zakim: +44.845.397.aacc is jfkthame

<sylvaing> trackbot-ng, start telcon

<trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 20 October 2010

<scribe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2010Oct/0025.html

<scribe> Scribe: Chris

<scribe> ScribeNick: ChrisL

lightning talk at tpac

Vlad: chris please explain what this is

ChrisL (explains lightning talks)

scribe: it would be on the wednesday

Vlad: how many there on weds?

<jdaggett> jdaggett, i will be

i will be

(discussion on whether weds is free or paying)

Vlad: cost goes up soon

ChrisL: its structured inter-group discussions

Vlad: was good last year, enlightening

cslye will be there mon-sun

jfkthame: will arrive weds afternoon or evening

Vlad: erik and tal will not be there
... had hoped jfkthame would be able to give the talk

ChrisL: happy to do it

<jdaggett> i second nominating chrisl

John: nominate chris

resolved: chris to do woff lightning talk at tpac

action items and spec state

Vlad: want to get to Last Call right after TPAC
... tends to get more comments once it goes to last call

ChrisL: yes

Vlad: final review at f2f and then publish right after

ChrisL: tpac a good time to discuss review time with other wgs

Vlad: ok so lets get loose ends tidied up before f2f

actions at http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/open

John: were does the test suite fit in?

Vlad: after last call, next step is candidate rec and we need to have a test suite to get out of CR (but not to enter it)

ChrisL: tests and last cal lcan proceed in parallel

action-15?

<trackbot> ACTION-15 -- Jonathan Kew to split intro to remove these requirements and insert them into a new section, "normative references" -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/15

jfkthame: not done yet, ties to action-24

action-24?

<trackbot> ACTION-24 -- Jonathan Kew to work with Chris L on reformatting footnotes section into normative and non normative references -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/24

ChrisL: jfkthame and i wil discuss this tomorrow

action-19?

<trackbot> ACTION-19 -- John Daggett to specify exact algorithm for verifying a valid offset for metadata and private data of S3P5 -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/19

jdaggett: mentioned onlast call that edited note sent out covers it, so action can be closed.

close action-19

<trackbot> ACTION-19 Specify exact algorithm for verifying a valid offset for metadata and private data of S3P5 closed

jfkthame: tightening up other points covered this as well

action-21?

<trackbot> ACTION-21 -- Chris Lilley to check that everything in section 8 correctly references a conformance requirement earlier in the spec. -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/21

ChrisL: done that

close action-21

<trackbot> ACTION-21 Check that everything in section 8 correctly references a conformance requirement earlier in the spec. closed

action-23?

<trackbot> ACTION-23 -- Jonathan Kew to verify whether, with zlib, it's possible to have a stream that allows an EOF midstream, so extra data can be padded on mid-stream. -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/23

Vlad: we discussed possible EOF in mdstream, concluded there is no such problem

jfkthame: not looked into this one, planned to do some zlib testing with appended data

Vlad: ok keep this one open, no effect unless we find there is an error case there

action-24?

<trackbot> ACTION-24 -- Jonathan Kew to work with Chris L on reformatting footnotes section into normative and non normative references -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/24

Vlad: editorial

action-26?

<trackbot> ACTION-26 -- Jonathan Kew to section 6, license block: change "The license for the font." to "The licensing information for the font." -- due 2010-08-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/26

its done, i see it in the new text

close action-26

<trackbot> ACTION-26 Section 6, license block: change "The license for the font." to "The licensing information for the font." closed

action-27?

<trackbot> ACTION-27 -- Chris Lilley to write up a test suite plan -- due 2010-08-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/27

Vlad: keep open

ChrisL: would like some more discussion

action-29?

<trackbot> ACTION-29 -- John Hudson to review woff faq with chris and vlad -- due 2010-10-06 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/29

Vlad: progress, keep open

action-32?

<trackbot> ACTION-32 -- Chris Lilley to create a page for possible agenda topics -- due 2010-10-06 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/32

ChrisL: oops

<scribe> pending review http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/pendingreview

close action-28

<trackbot> ACTION-28 Add to section 8:"UA must reject the WOFF file if the decompressed length of a table does not match that specified in the table directory" closed

close action-30

<trackbot> ACTION-30 incorporate new propsed change proposed by jdaggett closed

close action-31

<trackbot> ACTION-31 Add a link to the schema proposed by ChrisL closed

test suite plan

<Vlad> ChrisL: test suite plan review

<Vlad> normative words are capitalized, should reflect that in the reference to RFC

<Vlad> ChrisL email suggesting adding ids to the spec to mark up the testable assertions in the spec

<Vlad> ChrisL: conflicting statements about table order and UA handling

<Vlad> ChrisL: firm up the description of the procesing model to make it more formal and strictly define the conformance criteria for bit-to-bit compatible input and output SFNT files

<Vlad> This includes requirements for checksum correctness.

<Vlad> ACTION to ChirsL to write up the proposed text for WOFF processing model

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to

<Vlad> ACTION ChirsL to write up the proposed text for WOFF processing model

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ChirsL

<Vlad> ACTION ChrisL to write up the proposed text for WOFF processing model

<trackbot> Created ACTION-33 - Write up the proposed text for WOFF processing model [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-10-27].

<Vlad> discussion about whether SHOULD or MUST be used in the spec wrt lang attribute for an element

<Vlad> Discussion about changing the 'id' attribute of uniqueID element to avoid conflict with XML rules

<Vlad> The goal is for 'id' attributes not to be treated as an element id.

<jfkthame> note that <license> element and subelements of <extension> also have optional 'id' attributes

<scribe> ACTION: chris to add id and class to testable assertions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-webfonts-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-34 - Add id and class to testable assertions [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-10-27].

<Vlad> ACTION Jonathan to add the language expalining that attributes with 'id' as a name should not be treated as element ids.

<trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - Add the language expalining that attributes with 'id' as a name should not be treated as element ids. [on Jonathan Kew - due 2010-10-27].

agenda for f2f

<Vlad> discuss test suite plans

<jdaggett> i think we should also separate tests for tools from tests for user agents

Vlad: quick spec review and decide to go to last call
... discussion on ac list, web page for people with spouses or other significant others
... joint meetings?
... css clearly
... ensure test suites are complementary

<jdaggett> svg

<Vlad> Information about Lyon: http://esw.w3.org/Discover_Lyon

Vlad: i18n clearly

<John> http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2010/10/web_fonts_will_flourish

John: economist blog had a nice writeup
... primarily about woff

<Vlad> http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2010/10/web_fonts_will_flourish

Vlad: brief meeting and action item review next week

<John> exit

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2010Oct/0025.html
Found Date: 20 Oct 2010
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