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<trackbot> Date: 29 September 2010
<cslye> Latest Editor's Draft: http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/spec/
<ChrisL> scribenick: jdaggett
John: there's been some criticism
of the FAQ on Typophile
... my idea was to review the FAQ
<John> http://typophile.com/node/73465
ChrisL: my idea was just to put together something quickly
John: some of the criticism is a bit over the top
<ChrisL> ACTION: john to review woff faw with chris and vlad [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-webfonts-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john
<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jhudson, jdaggett)
<ChrisL> ACTION: john hudson to review woff faw with chris and vlad [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-webfonts-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john
<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jhudson, jdaggett)
<ChrisL> ACTION: jhudson to review woff faw with chris and vlad [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-webfonts-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Review woff faw with chris and vlad [on John Hudson - due 2010-10-06].
vlad: we can help with that
<ChrisL> action-15?
<trackbot> ACTION-15 -- Jonathan Kew to split intro to remove these requirements and insert them into a new section, "normative references" -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/15
vlad: describing action
discussion at f2f
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2010Aug/0054.html
vlad: for conformance we have to
specify something as a font format within the sfnt
... we discussed that off could be one conformance point
... in section 1 we have references to CORS, HTML5
... we discussed that these should be normative refs
John: we probably want to put
this on the f2f agenda
... it's a relatively long discussion
action-16?
<trackbot> ACTION-16 -- Jonathan Kew to s3 Woff header, first entry, add "must be" -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/16
jfkthame: ok, this seems clear enough
ChrisL: it's helpful if you put
the action item in the cvs commit
... if possible
jfkthame: well, i haven't been doing things action by action
action-17?
<trackbot> ACTION-17 -- Jonathan Kew to sec 2, 3rd para - split the wording the wording to have two conformance requirements - extra padding to be rejected on the conversion side and extra padding to be rejected by the UA in the WOFF itself -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/17
my proposed wording deals with padding in the WOFF itself
vlad: right, any padding/overlap
in the WOFF should be omittied
... i would suggest using data block rather than file
block
... data block can apply to any particular part of the woff
i think the wording in the existing spec + my proposed change is enough
vlad: close this action
<ChrisL> close action-17
<trackbot> ACTION-17 Sec 2, 3rd para - split the wording the wording to have two conformance requirements - extra padding to be rejected on the conversion side and extra padding to be rejected by the UA in the WOFF itself closed
<ChrisL> action-18?
<trackbot> ACTION-18 -- Jonathan Kew to s3 Woff header, first entry, actually dont add "must be", instead add "must" to the decriptoin in the following text -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/18
<scribe> ACTION: jfkthame: incorporate new propsed change proposed by jdaggett [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-webfonts-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jfkthame
<ChrisL> trackbot, status
<scribe> ACTION: Jonathan: incorporate new propsed change proposed by jdaggett [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-webfonts-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - incorporate new propsed change proposed by jdaggett [on Jonathan Kew - due 2010-10-06].
vlad: action-18 can be closed
<ChrisL> close action-18
<trackbot> ACTION-18 S3 Woff header, first entry, actually dont add "must be", instead add "must" to the decriptoin in the following text closed
<ChrisL> close action-16
<trackbot> ACTION-16 S3 Woff header, first entry, add "must be" closed
action-19?
<trackbot> ACTION-19 -- John Daggett to specify exact algorithm for verifying a valid offset for metadata and private data of S3P5 -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/19
i think the wording for this will be covered by action-25
jfkthame: yeah, i don't think we
need to specify the exact algorithm
... as long as the wording covers it
<ChrisL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2010Sep/0003.html
ChrisL: has anyone looked at
this?
... made up a schema
... but i think my data set for testing is too small
vlad: i looked at the schema but
i didn't test it
... looks ok
... i suggest we close this
ChrisL: should we link to this from the spec
<ChrisL> close action-20
<trackbot> ACTION-20 Make a relaxNG schema for the metadata block schema closed
jfkthame: should the spec link to resources or should we gather these in some other place?
ChrisL: in this case, it's just a formalism of the what the spec says
<scribe> ACTION: Jonathan: add a link to the schema proposed by ChrisL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-webfonts-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - Add a link to the schema proposed by ChrisL [on Jonathan Kew - due 2010-10-06].
action-21?
<trackbot> ACTION-21 -- Chris Lilley to check that everything in section 8 correctly references a conformance requirement earlier in the spec. -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/21
vlad: let's keep this open for now
Chris did you do anything with this?
vlad: each one of us should review this
ChrisL: i was taking too much
vacation
... so not yet
vlad: this is covered by the latest edits
jfkthame chuckles...
close action-22
<trackbot> ACTION-22 Appendix A should say this section is non-normative closed
action-23?
<trackbot> ACTION-23 -- Jonathan Kew to verify whether, with zlib, it's possible to have a stream that allows an EOF midstream, so extra data can be padded on mid-stream. -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/23
vlad: the private data block can
contain extra stuff
... so we shouldn't be overly concerned with additional bad
data in the woff
... so i'm not sure we need to worry too much about this
particular point
i think i can agree with vlad
jfkthame: yeah, i don't see a concern here
sergeym: well, there are two ways to handle this data, ignore or reject
jfkthame: i'm not there's a
problem here, zlib data is an arbitrary stream of data
... there's not eof in there
sergeym: this is easy to check, i was just concerned that the format might have something like an EOF character
i think jfkthame should just verify that zlib has no eof handling
vlad: this relates to action-15
action-24?
<trackbot> ACTION-24 -- Jonathan Kew to work with Chris L on reformatting footnotes section into normative and non normative references -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/24
action-15?
<trackbot> ACTION-15 -- Jonathan Kew to split intro to remove these requirements and insert them into a new section, "normative references" -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/15
ChrisL: haven't done anything
yet
... will mail jfkthame
vlad: this is addressed by the mail to the list by jdaggett
jfkthame: seems reasonable
close action-25
<trackbot> ACTION-25 Tighten the description of the private data block. closed
action-26?
<trackbot> ACTION-26 -- Chris Lilley to section 6, license block: change "The license for the font." to "The licensing information for the font." -- due 2010-08-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/26
ChrisL: hmm, not sure why this is
on me...
... this should probably be assigned to jfkthame
jhudson: this should be in the minutes for the LA f2f
jhudson talking about license wording?
vlad: want to avoid confusion about which wording is the actual license
ChrisL: just moved this action to jfkthame
ChrisL: no test suite yet
... i'll work on setting something up by next week
vlad: as we get closer to CR this
gets more important
... so that's all the action items that are open
ChrisL: not many folks have
registered
... there is a cost, it goes way up at some point in
october
vlad: as for tpac, we should start collecting agenda items
<ChrisL> list of registrants so far http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/registrants#WebF
<ChrisL> form for registering http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/
vlad: topics for the group, topics for other groups
jhudson: i think we need to
define minimum conformance
... and that crosses over into css3 fonts issues
... css3 fonts implies a certain amount of font support
what does font support mean?
jhudson: css3 fonts is going to need some level of conformance
<ChrisL> i agree with jdagett that there is more overlap in expertise than there is between the actual specifications themselves which are (purposefully) orthogonal
vlad: css3 fonts conformance would require woff fonts
jhudson: so i'm only going to tpac thurs/fri
vlad: let's have a joint session
thurs/fri
... any other topics submit to the mailing list
<scribe> ACTION: ChrisL: create a page for possible agenda topics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-webfonts-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-32 - Create a page for possible agenda topics [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-10-06].
vlad: lightning talk?
... if you have any ideas, those would be good to hear
... i'll send more info to the list
jhudson: who's organizing that?
vlad: monotype is the main
sponsor
... was announced during typecon
vlad talking about font contest
vlad: lots of designs using
webfonts
... could be used as a demo for tpac
... just one possible option
isn't erik working on some interesting demos?
ChrisL: lots of good comments about erik's presentation at typecon
erik: probably can't
present
... i have a couple interesting demos i'm tinkering with
vlad: thanks for everyone's help with atypi presentation
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