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<laurent_csiro> Previous: 2010-09-08 http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-ssn-minutes.html
<vhuang> hi
<laurent_csiro> zakin, [IPCaller] is me
<vhuang> zadim, ??P11 is me
<laurent_csiro> ScribeNick: Payam
Laurent: 1st topic: status of report- starting with ontology deliverable
Laurent discusses Andriy's work
<laurent_csiro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Report_Work_on_the_SSN_ontology
<laurent_csiro> Andriy's progress on Sensor module doc: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Sensor
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Deploy
<laurent_csiro> Payam: Deploy module http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Deploy
there is a new version of the ontology with recent changes with alignments
Laurent has created a revision of the Raul's slides
we have some description for deployment (Payam's example) and measurement (Andriy's example) capabilities
we need description for Observation
<laurent_csiro> File changes: ontology and graphics http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Special:ListFiles
Observation?
it is in progress...
<myriam> it's just that maybe observation should be more linked to a better environment description
<myriam> and sensor role
<laurent_csiro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Report_Work_on_the_SSN_ontology#Modules_and_Mapping_to_use_cases
the above figure demonstrate the priorities in the current work
s/demonstrate demonstrates
Myriam has worked on DOLCE and some of the examples can be shared
<cory> +q amit
Amit suggests inclusion of provenance and linked-data on sensor web
and providing some example on linked-data
Amit's 2nd suggestion is inclusion of perception and what leads to semantics
Amit: how we use sensor
observation to detect an event in real world - providing links
to perception
... adding some descriptions as a part of report or as an
appendix to the report: sensor- observation and sensing and
observation to perception
Laurent: it is good to have an example on these issues; however we need to wrap up the report
<kerry> see the section "Current and planned use of the ontology - XG members " in the conclusion. http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Report_Conclusion_and_Recommendations#Current_and_planned_use_of_the_ontology_-_XG_members
Laurent: we can consider some of these issues as follow ups to the current ontology... ?
+q
Amit: the example with show how the ontology can co-exisit with other ontolgies and as a part of an eco-system
s/with will
<kerry> (breaking in) This is a good place (see conclusion ref above) for a description of the kind of thing you re doing with the ssn-xg ontology with as little details as you like.
<laurent_csiro> Section 7: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Report_Conclusion_and_Recommendations
I agree with Kerry - Amit's example can be added to this section
Laurent: DERI is interested in using sensor annotation in semantic reality
s/semantic reality /augmented reality
it is "Augmented reality"
Laurent: calling for suggestion on usage of the ontology in the projects
<cory> +q
<AlexPassant> we can add a SPITFIRE use-case (new EU project involving DERI)
Payam: Uni Surrey in IoTA - Internet of Things Architecture - SSN-XG ontology is a "Standardisation opportunity"
<krp> yes, I think we're fine with the two semsorgrid examples you've put us down for
Internet of things Architecture
<ocorcho> +q
<kerry> +q
<kerry> laurent -- luis is ogc now -- perhaps we could ask him to do that in hte conclusion? there is also MMI, but we have no active contact there anymore, I think. Perhaps wipe?
Laurent will present the group's work in the OGC meeting in December
<kerry> +q
Laurent discusses Report Conclusion and Recommendations
<kerry> sany is mentioned in the conclusions
<kerry> as a possilbe user of the ssn-xg
<kerry> i think they are too finished
<kerry> but I can check on Monday next week when Denzer visits
<AlexPassant> regarding "7.3.6 Social and Sensor Web" the report could link to the Social Web XG report (due in a few weeks) as it includes lots of SW
Laurent: who will be interested in continuing the work
yes
is there any limitation to invited members in W3C?
<kerry> +q
<kerry> I can't hear well enough --did you say "SERC" as an alternative?
<kerry> what's that/
Laurent: discusses limitations of continuing the work as a W3C group
<laurent_csiro> The example cited by Laurent is SIOC
<AlexPassant> http://sioc-project.org
<kerry> I do not think the limitation of invited experts matters.
<AlexPassant> Process for invited experts : http://www.w3.org/2004/08/invexp.html
Laurent, Alex: another possibility is SIOC
<kerry> I +q
<kerry> +q
<kerry> CSIRO won't commit at this level after we finish here
<kerry> i am sure.
<kerry> But W3C will remain
<kerry> the best option for us.
<kerry> I think.
<kerry> oo
<kerry> CSIRO has a number of ongoing
<kerry> projects that will use it.
<kerry> we have a lot of interest in keeping it going.
<kerry> But I don't think we can resource this level into the future
<AlexPassant> we would commit to an upcoming WG
<cory> knoesis would like to continue
<vhuang> Ericsson is also interested.
we are also interested- but I am invited member
<ocorcho> UPM will do as well, at least until Aug2011
<AlexPassant> I was thinking more on the SemWeb side
+q
<AlexPassant> what will be the status of the ontology after the XG ? Does it makes sense to have a WG to standardise it ?
<kerry> +q
<kerry> I suspect so -- a wg looks possible.
<kerry> I am thinking a w3c group to develop a submission
<kerry> or maybe like the lifesciences interest group?
<AlexPassant> I guess it depends on the level of commitmeent we want to have
<AlexPassant> IG cannot produce RECs
<AlexPassant> but are good for gatherings, publishing notes, etc.
<kerry> member submission is ok, but a wg submission would have more status
Laurent: W3C has interest groups, and also small groups- interest groups cannot produce recommendations; the question is which category our activity fits into
<AlexPassant> IG *cannot* produce RECs actually
<ocorcho> my phone died, will follow the chat conversation
<kerry> (looking for Amit)
<kerry> +q
Laurent: is this a topic for a W3C working group?
<kerry> I'm not sure that a particular ontology would normally be interesting enough for a WG -- but in our case we are at the pointy end of web-of-data & internet of things
<kerry> that might carry some weight
<kerry> oo
Amit: typically ontology itself is not a WG
+q
<AlexPassant> I've discussed with Ivan Herman re. ontology and WG - W3C never done that but could do, nothing prevents it
SA-REST
<cory> http://www.w3.org/Submission/SA-REST/
Amit, sensor could be one of the resources...
Amit, there is also work on best practices; such as semantic sensor applications best practices guideline
he left I think
Amit, there maybe an interest in developing guidelines and open source tools..?
Amit, doesn't see any specific requirement for a description language
Laurent: is interested in
semantic markup and suggests some of the work in this area
could be useful
... internet-of-things and moving from sensors to other type of
applications can be also another topic of interest
+q
Uni of Surrey is interested in IoT and Web of Data
Amit, we can look at how to develop comprehensive applications - taking physical observations to perception... creating a life-cycle from sensing from multiple sources... to applications
<vhuang> Ericsson is interested in creating new information from available data and ontology.
<laurent_csiro> Laurent: the type of higher level apps Amit talks about is partially covered by the decision XG http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/decision/
<Arthur> I also would be interested to work on semantics of networked devices and their capabilites: sensors, actuators, communication, computing, storage, etc.
<cory> knoesis is working on the application of sensor data for perception, provenance, streaming data, and trust
Laurent: calling for connecting the ideas to ongoing work in W3C, and the work in OGC...
<vhuang> We are also working on security and privacy issues.
thanks, bye!
<kerry> bye!
<vhuang> bye
<myriam> we are interested in whether and how sensor data can become interesting for common users
<myriam> and then mobile applications would be a great way to make sensor data more pervasive
<myriam> and proper semantic descriptions can help in detecting when to provide such data to users
<laurent_csiro> Section 6: Mapping deliverable
<laurent_csiro> Botts: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Report_Work_on_mappings
<laurent_csiro> Section 3: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Report_Motivating_Use_cases
<laurent_csiro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/File:UseCasesAndOntologyModules.png
<laurent_csiro> QU ontology http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Agriculture_Meteorology_Sensor_Network
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