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<trackbot> Date: 03 September 2010
<scribe> Scribe: Luc Moreau
<scribe> ScribeNick: Luc
+44.238.059.aaaa is Luc
1. Review what we have accomplished so far
2. Wish list of what we would like to do as a group
3. Options for the remainder of xg live
4. Who does what?
4. ... and what options they would prefer
44 people in the group, and still growing!
Thanks to some very strong contributors!
Not a good representation from industry, except a few exceptions. Need to keep this in mind.
We collected use cases for provenance, identified dimensions for provenance.
Lead to user and technical requirements.
Requirement document released a while back.
Contribution to "RDF next steps"
Mapping of provenance vocabularies
Indexed provenance literature on Mendeley
Three scenarios were elaborated, and gaps identified
State of the art report drafted, and to be completed in coming fortnight
We starting to have a good shared understanding of provenance.
Wish list of things to be done:
yolanda: leave bibliography collection in a good state, and linked to state of the art report
yolanda: nice diagrams for news
aggregator. Could we have similar diagrams for the other
... write a roadmap report, including a set of recommendations
... think about role of provenance in the web architecture
... in report, include provenance vocabulary mapping
<pgroth> we used powerpoint
jcheney: describing provenance
information for static things vs dynamic things
... what is the length of the final report?
... if we want something to happen, a short document may be the most effective
yolanda: let's try to keep it
short and sweet!
... 3 major sections: requirements, state of the art, roadmap
paolo: have a set of slides with the report
<pgroth> also would be nice to have it look good :-) nice pictures
luc: definition of provenance?
DGarijo: prototype example on how to do the mapping
yolanda: is it in the remit of this group?
<jcheney> re implementing the mappings: could this be a recommendation for the final report, rather than something we do (it may take more than a month)
yolanda: get more traction from other w3c groups, especially if we recommend further activities
paul: try to get endorsement from other groups, when we have recommendations drafted
yolanda: what should come first?,
outreach or recommendations?
... use outreach to refine initial set of recommendations
yolanda: we will compete against other w3c undertakings, e.g. next versions of http, rdf, etc. Finite resources are w3c. Need for community support, coherence, and leadership.
next item: 3. Next options at this point
4 possibilities to be discussed
1. we finalize by Sep 21st. This may imply we don't complete some activities.
2. In principle agreement by w3c to extend the current charter by 2-3 months if we wish
<Jose_> For the wishlist record: might be interesting to consider the establishment of a provenance technology observatory bound to the group. Would need to see how this can be done.
3. Wrap up what we have at this point, and write a charter for a follow-on group.
This would be a follow-on incubator.
4. Recommend the creation of a working group.
Options 1 to 4 are not mutually exclusive.
Next item in agenda, what do people prefer? what can they contribute?
Daniel: volunteers to do more work! preference for option 2 and decide in that time what to do next
irini: option 2, clean up what we have, and think about next activity
james: option 2, and figure out
what we do next
... there are more aspects related to provenance that may need to be taken into account later, e.g. provenance in rdf, though not ready for standardization yet
JimM: would like a future activity to standardize on a core of provenance. We should think about what this core is.
jose: understand how our recommendations can have an impact on w3c
Jun: happy with option 2 and put work into the documents
Luc: option 2, and prepare for option 4 during this period
Paolo: option 2 + also reachout.
Option 4 shoud focus on a core to be realistic, need someone to
... funding to support that follow-on activity?
<jcheney> @Paolo: in UK: maybe reach out to Web Science trust for support? http://webscience.org/home.html
Paolo: use the provenance workshop at ISWC to report on group activities
<ssahoo2> SWPM10 wokshop link: http://wiki.knoesis.org/index.php/SWPM-2010
Paul: doesn't mind small extension (e.g. option 2)
<Paolo_> @James (and Luc and Jun...) -- yes. maybe we can brainstorm separately on funding options for this?
paul: if we have agreement on a data model, it would be worthwile to have a precise, focused charter for standardizing a data model (short duration, 1 year)
sam: would be good to agree on a core
<jun> @Paolo(and James and Luc): it sounds a good idea
Simon: support for option 2 + need for a working group to standardize
Satya: option 2, use extension time to think about WG charter. Volunteers time to new activities
Yolanda: seems there is support for option 2, and do a proper job at putting forward recommendations
Action yolanda extend lifetime of incubator
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End of november: december too hectic month
I must go in a few minutes, can someone finish minutes, and close down robot?
<ssahoo2> +1 for december, I have to leave now
I am leaving now, sorry.
<Irini> +1 for james
<YolandaGil> We agreed that we should extend the group's life until mid-December
<YolandaGil> We should start thinking about what recommendations to make, let's discuss that at next week's telecon
<YolandaGil> trackbot, end telcon
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