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HTML Weekly Teleconference

26 Aug 2010

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What is the next step with ISSUE-27?
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paulc,

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<pimpbot> changes: hixie: reduce ambiguity (whatwg r5352) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Aug/0178.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9830] When describing the type attribute, the charset sentence makes the following sentence ambiguous" (3 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0650.html> 4** [Bug 9825] Right now the keyword "media" allows audio and/or video data, but why not allow image data as well? It would be useful on many devices (especially phones) to be able to take a still photograph which can then be manipulated

<pimpbot> changes: hixie: fix pushState() example (whatwg r5355) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Aug/0181.html> 4** hixie: clarification (whatwg r5354) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Aug/0180.html> 4** hixie: rel=stylesheet should only override HTTP same-origin, to avoid cross-origin data theft (whatwg r5353) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Aug/0179.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9560] [history] The line game example doesn't work properly" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0659.html> 4** [Bug 9775] "positioned to a multiple of the line dimensions of the first line of the cue" - enforcing the same line height for every line ihurts text rendering appearance for no apparent reason. This is especially true if text styling is supported (bold text is larg <11http:

<pimpbot> changes: sam: Remove extraneous <hr> <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Aug/0182.html>

<pimpbot> changes: hixie: mention that paragraph and line breaks can be marked up in different ways. (whatwg r5356) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Aug/0183.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10066] replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided (ARIA) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0664.html> 4** [Bug 10441] New: <link> that represents a hyperlink should probably have no role by default <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0663.html> 4** [Bug 10440] New: menu type=context should have "menu" role <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10087] Replace "Obsolete but conforming" by "Deprecated" <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0665.html>

<pimpbot> changes: hixie: xref (whatwg r5358) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Aug/0185.html> 4** hixie: note to self about CSS and <br> (whatwg r5357) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Aug/0184.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10442] New: current playback position <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0669.html> 4** [Bug 9844] namedItem domintro links to item dfn <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0668.html> 4** [Bug 9847] legacy color value parsing algorithm should trim whitespace <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0667.html> 4** [Bug 9844] namedItem domintr

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9847] legacy color value parsing algorithm should trim whitespace <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0670.html>

<pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make ' red' parse as 'red' for legacy colours. (whatwg r5359) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Aug/0186.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9847] legacy color value parsing algorithm should trim whitespace" (4 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0673.html>

<anne5> is plh in the US?

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9844] namedItem domintro links to item dfn <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0675.html> 4** [Bug 10443] New: good and clear..... <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0674.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10438] math should be changed changed from no role to "math" role <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0681.html> 4** [Bug 10441] <link> that represents a hyperlink should probably have no role by default <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0680.html> 4** [Bug 10440] menu type=context should have "menu" role <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010A

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10066] replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided (ARIA) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0683.html> 4** [Bug 10444] New: ARIA section does not list elements that have no default role or role restrictions <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0682.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10449] New: Consider allowing various command-like ARIA roles for h1-h6 <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0688.html> 4** [Bug 10448] New: Consider broadening the set of allowed roles for command elements <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0687.html> 4** [Bug 10447] New: <output> should have no role by default instead of status role <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Publi

<pimpbot> planet: innerShiv: Make innerHTML + HTML5 Work in IE <11http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/pMCWAyq9R5U/innershiv-make-innerhtml-html5-work-in-ie>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10066] replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided (ARIA) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0692.html> 4** [Bug 10452] New: Consider documenting attributes that map to ARIA properties in a separate table <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0691.html> 4** [Bug 10451] New: Consider restricting the roles allowed for the label element <11http://lists.w3.or

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10449] Consider allowing various command-like ARIA roles for h1-h6 <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0699.html> 4** [Bug 10448] Consider broadening the set of allowed roles for command elements <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0698.html> 4** [Bug 10447] <output> should have no role by default instead of status role <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-b

<pimpbot> planet: .net Awards Nomination <11http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/html5doctor/~3/uL69STanVJY/> 4** How to Drag Out Files Like Gmail <11http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/sOKoIERL09o/how-to-drag-out-files-like-gmail>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10444] ARIA section does not list elements that have no default role or role restrictions <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0703.html> 4** [Bug 10452] Consider documenting attributes that map to ARIA properties in a separate table <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0702.html> 4** [Bug 10451] Consider restricting the roles allowed for the label element <11http://lists.w

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10446] Consider limiting the roles of certain media and plugin elements <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0704.html>

<pimpbot> changes: sam: udpate status of 116 <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Aug/0187.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10455] New: Mint a describedby attribute for the img element <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0705.html>

<anne> plh, hello :)

<plh> Hi Anne

<plh> can we talk in 60 minutes from now?

<anne> sure

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10068] Suggest making noscript obsolete but conforming <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0707.html> 4** [Bug 10455] Mint a describedby attribute for the img element <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0706.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10456] New: Should not emit ]] or ] when ]]EOF or ]EOF appears in the CDATA section state <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0708.html>

<anne> plh, i need to leave for 30 min; sorry

<plh> hi anne

<plh> so, how big is your php code?

<plh> (or how big will it be?

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10457] New: Is obtaining the bounding box dimensions of the text ever intended to be part of the spec? Could you specify this? <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Aug/0709.html>

<anne> plh, sorry about that, something came up

<anne> plh, the PHP code I have is checked in

<anne> plh, just a couple of files

<anne> plh, all with fairly trivial scripts; I emailed all these info days ago

<rubys> trackbot, start meeting

<trackbot> Date: 26 August 2010

<rubys> If Maciej doesn't show up shortly, I'll chair and PaulC will scribe

<MikeSmith> scribe: paulc

<scribe> scribe:

<MikeSmith> scribe: paulc

<scribe> scribe: paulc

1. ACTION items due by Thursday, Aug 19

ACTION-185?

<trackbot> ACTION-185 -- Michael(tm) Smith to ... for the things in html4 and html5, send a mail to the link relations email list to update these and point to the latest html5 doc -- due 2010-09-02 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/185

Mike S changed due date to next week.

Mike S expects to do this today.

ACTION-186

<Julian> on ACTION-186: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Aug/0330.html

ACTION-186?

<trackbot> ACTION-186 -- Julian Reschke to investigate status of bugs on link relations -- due 2010-08-26 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/186

Close ACTION-186

<trackbot> ACTION-186 Investigate status of bugs on link relations closed

How do we update ISSUE-27?

If Mike S is going to test the link registry by next week, we could make ISSUE-27 dependent on ACTION-185

New Issues This Week:

ISSUE-117?

<trackbot> ISSUE-117 -- Deprecate the noscript element -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/117

There is a call for proposals out with a 30 day deadline.

<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Aug/0299.html

. Items Closed Last Week

Issue-109

ISSUE-109?

<trackbot> ISSUE-109 -- change ARIA section title and add extra text about use of ARIA -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/109

Poll closed - waiting for chairs action.

Items Closing This week

None

Items Closing Next week

Issue-110?

<trackbot> ISSUE-110 -- Change Control for text/html-sandboxed media type -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/110

Counter proposals for Issue-110 closes next week.

ISSUE-30 longdesc - Status of Formal Objection

<rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/formal-objection-status.html

<scribe> Chair: Formal objections are listed on the above page.

New Calls for Proposals

ISSUE-117?

<trackbot> ISSUE-117 -- Deprecate the noscript element -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/117

<scribe> Chair: Call for proposals is due Sep 27.

Status of Bug 10066 for ISSUE-085:

<scribe> Chair: Maciej created a flurry of related bugs last night.

<scribe> Chair: Maciej has 3 items pending information from other people.

<plh> "No bugs yet on details, output, table, td or tr, because I'm not entirely clear

<plh> on the explanations for those (queries sent)."

<scribe> Chair: New bugs are listed in Bug 10066

Bug-10066

Bug-10066?

ISSUE-9 requirements document status

<rubys> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10066

<Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements

Janina: Requirements document has been published. See above link.

<janina> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements

Janina: A11Y TF hopes to discuss this with the WG and continues to work on the Requirements.
... TF wants to add some demos to the document

<plh> janina, please get in touch with me for the right place

Janina: Next milestone is on Mon to be discuss by the Media-SG next Wed.

plh: I can help with the location for the media eamples.
... Just give me material and I will get it published. We have already done this for HTML5 Testing TF.
... do you ahve permission to publish?

Janina: yes

ISSUE-116 discussion - would an index document work?

Issue-116?

<trackbot> ISSUE-116 -- provide reference and info about HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives in html5 spec -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/116

<scribe> Chair: Sam put out a proposal and most people would be satisfied with issue markers.

<scribe> Chair: Some are interested in an index document but it does not seem mandatory to solve this issue.

ISSUE-41 status

ISSUE-41?

<trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41

<scribe> Chair: Probably at the front of the queue for survey.

Paulc: The Chairs want to check the remaining change proposals before doing a survey eg. completness of rationale, etc.

Other business

None.

Scribe for next meeting

<plh> likely regrets for next week

PaulC volunteers to scribe if Maciej is chairing.

Adjournment

Adjourned at 12:26pm ET

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