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Review and tweak agenda

AB: the draft agenda was posted a few days ago: ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0344.html ). Any change requests?

MC: no

Announcements

AB: any short announcements?

[ none ]

Packaging and Configuration spec

AB: Marcos uploaded several I18N test cases to the P&C test repository ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0138.html ).
... how many I18N tests have been uploaded and are there any more?

MC: we uploaded about 170 and have a few more
... we also need to remove some redundancies

AB: I counted about 277 last week for all of P&C

MC: that sounds about right
... don't expect any more

AB: what about review of the I18N tests?

MC: Lachlan and one other guy at Opera reviewed them
... and I reviewed them too
... we still need to get review by the I18N WG

AB: agree we should ask I18N WG for comments
... but we should wait until we are "done"

MC: Hari Kumar will notify me when the tests are ready for I18N WG comments

<scribe> ACTION: Marcos notify the I18N Core WG about the I18N test cases and ask them for comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/05-wam-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-567 - Notify the I18N Core WG about the I18N test cases and ask them for comments [on Marcos Caceres - due 2010-08-12].

AB: Marcos also uploaded several viewmode attribute parsing test cases ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0096.html ).

MC: yes, those test fill a hole we had in our test suite

AB: as a result of these new test cases, none of the P&C implementations is even at 50% compliance ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/imp-report/ ).
... a question is whether or not the I18N support is "optional" or not

MC: no they really aren't because the parsing algorithms are now directly included in the spec
... whereas before when we pointed to the ITS spec the algorithms were external
... These new test cases are important and Lachlan did a very thorough job

AB: so the UA must adhere to the syntax and parsing constraints but the UA doesn't really have any requirements on how to display internationalized attributes
... is this right?

MC: yes, that's right
... how the UA displays the internationalized strings is platform specific

AB: we now need to get at least 2 implementations that can pass all of the test suites
... Issue-117 ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/117 ) "In Widget P&C Spec, need to clarify in the spec that dir attribute does not apply to attributes that are IRIs, Numeric, Keywords, etc. The dir attribute only affects human readable strings.".
... to address this issue, I believe Marcos already updated the spec with some "editorial" fix several weeks ago. Is this correct Marcos?

MC: yes, I have already uploaded the fixes
... this required creating the "displayable attribute"
... so this issue can be closed

AB: so this was editorial, right?

MC: yes, definitely - it did not affect the processing

AB: OK, would then please close this issue Marcos?

MC: yes, I just closed it.

Widget Interface spec

AB: Issue-116 ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/116 ) "Need to flesh out the security considerations for the openURL method in the Widget Interface spec" is blocking advancement of this spec to Proposed Recommenation.
... Marcos proposed openURL be removed. If that is done, what is there an alternate way a developer can get similar functionality?

MC: I can take an action to define some mechanism

AB: can you submit a proposal to the list?

MC: yes, I can do that

<scribe> ACTION: Marcos create an alternative mechanism for openURL and send it to the mail list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/05-wam-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-568 - Create an alternative mechanism for openURL and send it to the mail list [on Marcos Caceres - due 2010-08-12].

MC: I also looked at removing the Web IDL ref
... it is a lot more than difficult than I would have guessed
... and even if we do that, we still have HTML and Web Storage refs

AB: given those dependencies, I don't think it make sense to remove the Web IDL ref

MC: agreed

AB: after the group discusses your openURL alternate proposal, then we can get formal consensus on removing openURL or not
... if the group accepts this change, the TWI spec will need to go back to LCWD
... but since we already have more than 2 implementations that pass the TWI test suite,
... we can skip another CR and go straight to PR
... anything else on the TWI spec for today?

MC: no

AOB

<timeless> oh

<timeless> perhaps action to look at mozilla's package thing

<timeless> marcos, can you drop in a link

MC: I'm wondering if we should put some effort into the old P&C conformance spec
... we could publish it again

AB: could it be published as an informative WG Note

JS: It is OK with me if openURL is removed
... I agree decision on Web IDL

<Marcos> http://www.mail-archive.com/whatwg@lists.whatwg.org/msg22629.html

JS: there was some discussion about web app packging on WHAT WG list this week
... should review this email
... don't think we want them to reinvent the wheels we created in WebApps

AB: thanks for the headsup

MC: the BONDI SDK implemented a conformance checker

AB: agree that functionality could be useful for Widget developers

MC: we have some tests for WARP spec

AB: that's great

MC: we updated the template for test suite generation

<Marcos> http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-api/test-suite/

MC: we are working on the dig sig tests

AB: re, next call, I think we need Robin

MC: agree

AB: tentatively schedule a call for next week but only if we can get Robin
... it would be good to get that to Candidate as soon as possible
... meeting adjourned

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