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HTML Weekly Teleconference

29 Jul 2010

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<pimpbot> changes: hixie: Try to once again clarify <article>'s definition a bit. (whatwg r5221) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Jul/0118.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10253] New: doesn't say anything except what the container type is, and even a type like <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0474.html>

<pimpbot> planet: Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2010-07-28 <11http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/344> 4** ExtendOpera: Download html5 movies from youtube <11http://extendopera.org/css/content/download-html5-movies-youtube>

<pimpbot> planet: App Tabs in Firefox 4 Beta 2 <11http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2010/07/28/app-tabs-in-firefox-4-beta-2/>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10255] New: The earlier version where it said "If an address element applies to a section of a document, then it represents contact information for that section only" was a better approach. I see what you're after here, but it's way too 1996. "A web page" or "a docu <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0476.html> 4** [Bug 10254] New: Missing word in this sentence: "The contact information of node is the same a

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10254] Missing word in "The address element" section <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0478.html> 4** [Bug 10255] address element needs to apply more granularly <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0477.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10259] New: Make it clearer that <dt> can be used for questions and <dd> for answers (maybe move away from the terminology "name-value group"?) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0482.html> 4** [Bug 10258] New: Spec should be more careful about UTF-16, UTF-16BE and UTF-16LE <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0481.html> 4** [Bug 10257] New: Meta charset sniffing need to r

<hsivonen> MikeSmith: I made things so that it's relatively straight-forward to add error messages as tooltips to View Source

<hsivonen> not gonna happen for Firefox 4, though

<MikeSmith> will be nice to have it anyway

<hsivonen> I expects the string freeze for 4.0 to happen before I get to it

<MikeSmith> I ee

<MikeSmith> would it be possible to also eventually add it to the DOM inspector that Rob Campbell is working on?

<hsivonen> that would be harder, so "maybe"

<hsivonen> parse erroro are easie to do in View Source. Validation errors would be easier to do in a DOM insector

<MikeSmith> OK

<hsivonen> (my text input method sucks, so I'll be quiet now)

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10257] Meta charset sniffing need to resolve aliases before checking UTF-16ness <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0483.html>

<pimpbot> planet: Nicklas Larsson: The race for HTML 5 video <11http://my.opera.com/kilsmo/blog/show.dml/14734402>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10260] New: Meta charset handling during the parse should special-case UTF-16 and reject non-ASCII supersets <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0484.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10257] Meta charset sniffing need to resolve aliases before checking UTF-16ness <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0488.html> 4** [Bug 10256] 3.2.2 Elements in the DOM <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0487.html> 4** [Bug 10252] HTML5 hard-binds "Action" to accesskey key-press <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0486.html> 4** [Bug 1

<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10257] Meta charset sniffing need to resolve aliases before checking UTF-16ness" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0489.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10262] New: autocomplete attribute seams to do more than it should. There should be a 'confidential' attribute that will do all that is mention here and autocomplete=off would only disable autocomplete, but let browsers remember the value for back button. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0490.html>

<paulc_> rubys: Are you going to be able to scribe?

still negotiating access to a phone, outlook looks good

<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-07-29, WG decisions, issue review, WG surveys from Paul Cotton on 2010-07-27 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9897] need closing quote and /> for the very last p tag <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0492.html> 4** [Bug 10263] New: Should there be functions available to add and remove resources to/from the cache using JavaScript? <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0491.html>

<paulc_> rubys: Can we get the requisiste bots invited?

trackbot already seems to be here

<paulc_> ok

<plh> trackbot-ng, start telcon

<trackbot> Date: 29 July 2010

<paulc_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JulSep/0010.html

<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-07-29, WG decisions, issue review, WG surveys from Paul Cotton on 2010-07-27 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

<scribe> scribenick: rubys

<paulc_> Mike Smith appears to be having connectivity problems today.

<Mark> Mark from AT&T is on

<mjs> hi all

ACTION items due by Thursday, July 22

paulc: there are none

<J_Voracek> Good morning

New Issues This Week

paulc: I don't believe that there are any

Working Group decisions

issue-95?

<trackbot> ISSUE-95 -- Remove/Discard the Hidden Attribute -- closed

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/95

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-95 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

issue-30?

<trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-30 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

issue-88?

<trackbot> ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-88 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

issue-88?

<trackbot> ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88

issue-96?

<trackbot> ISSUE-96 -- Remove/Discard the Progress Element -- open

issue-97?

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/96

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-96 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<trackbot> ISSUE-97 -- Remove/Discard the Meter Element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/97

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-97 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

paulc: it is taking longer than we thought, but we are moving through them one at a time

Items Closing This Week

issue-74?

<trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

issue-75?

<trackbot> ISSUE-75 -- Microsoft Review of HTML5 -- closed

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/75

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-75 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<paulc_> Change proposal from Ian H: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jul/0219.html

<pimpbot> Title: Change proposal for ISSUE-74 and ISSUE-105 from Ian Hickson on 2010-07-29 (public-html@w3.org from July 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

paulc: Ian submitted a counter proposal... will stay open until Friday.
... Ian has asked for clarifications (to the chairs). Rich has already responded. The chairs will watch.
... any comments?

<paulc_> Richard's reply: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jul/0231.html

<pimpbot> Title: Re: Change proposal for ISSUE-74 and ISSUE-105 from Richard Schwerdtfeger on 2010-07-29 (public-html@w3.org from July 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

paulc: the reply from Rich has an appropriate level of commentary and detail

Items Closing Next Week

paulc: none

Current WG Surveys

issue-4?

<trackbot> ISSUE-4 -- HTML Versioning and DOCTYPEs -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/4

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-4 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

issue-84?

<trackbot> ISSUE-84 -- Should spec discourage use of "legacy" doctypes? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/84

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-84 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issues-4-84-objection-poll/

issue-101?

<trackbot> ISSUE-101 -- Spec reference for US-ASCII -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/101

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-101 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-101-objection-poll/

paulc: the surveys are still open; get your responses in as early as possible
... any comments?

Misc items

mjs: I've gone through most of the bugs, there are only 3 left, only one will require significant drafting
... we will probably have a new draft ready for discussion next week

paulc: the chairs will look at the draft next tuesday and get it into the WG hands as soon as possible after that
... next item, an update on issue-85

issue-85?

<trackbot> ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<paulc_> bug 10066?

<pimpbot> 11http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10066 faulkner.steve@gmail.com, P1, NEW, 13replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided

mjs: 10066 has a broader scope, and will likely become the successor to this issue
... I had a conversation with Cythia and Rich to help them give a more clear explanation and justification
... see bug 10066 for more details

paulc: the background is that we asked the editor to expedite this, and the editor asked for more information, and the chairs are attempting to seek to ensure that such data is available

issue-27?

<trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<paulc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jul/0033.html

<pimpbot> Title: Re: ACTION-182 and Issue-27 from Julian Reschke on 2010-07-14 (public-html@w3.org from July 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

paulc: we had been waiting, the registry is now available (see julian's note), the ball is now in our court
... haven't seen any responses yet
... what we need is for someone to test the registry, perhaps a formal call for volunteers is in order

<paulc_> informal call for volunteers in paul's email today: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jul/0225.html

<pimpbot> Title: RE: ACTION-182 and Issue-27 from Paul Cotton on 2010-07-29 (public-html@w3.org from July 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

<paulc_> ACTION: paulc to ensure that someone in the WG is testing the new @rel registry setup by IANA [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/07/29-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-184 - Ensure that someone in the WG is testing the new @rel registry setup by IANA [on Paul Cotton - due 2010-08-05].

paulc: the chairs will attempt to find a victim (if we can't find somebody already working it)

TPAC registration and hotel reservation reminder

<paulc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jul/0206.html

<pimpbot> Title: [Reminder] - Registration for TPAC2010 and hotel reservations from Paul Cotton on 2010-07-27 (public-html@w3.org from July 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

paulc: just a heads up... a reminder that registration is required, and hotels are not blocked, so register early

Other business

paulc: hearing no other business....

Scribe for next meeting

paulc: any volunteers?

adrian will scribe

Adjournment

adjourned

<paulc_> adjounred at 12:21 ET

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: paulc to ensure that someone in the WG is testing the new @rel registry setup by IANA [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/07/29-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
 
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