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HTML a11y media subgroup

16 Jun 2010

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Attendees

Present
Janina, Judy, Silvia, Sean, MikeSmith, Eric
Regrets
Chair
Janina
Scribe
MikeSmith, Sean

Contents


<Judy> silvia, do you plan to join?

<silvia> I have a busy schedule today, sorry

<silvia> if you need me, just type my name and I can join though

<janina> 4http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20080526_media-requirements/results

<janina> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements

<Judy> ---------------------------

<MikeSmith> scribe: MikeSmith

starting to review document at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20080526_media-requirements/results#xq19

Sean Hayes has joined

John Foliot is out today, Janina is chairing

[reviewing requirements together]

janina: we did not make an representations that we would reply to people's comments
... so no action necessarily needed here

silvia: I suggest putting a reply to this question in the minutes

[discussion is about comment regarding inclusion of markup for speech synthesis]

answer to question about whether such formats exist: Yes

Sean: Timed Text can also be used for speech markup...

[going on to next comment from Philip J]

the comment: "Is copyright information and usage rights really relevant to users of this technology? It seems like a general requirements unrelated to accessibility which should be suggested for <audio>/<video>, if at all."

silvia: it's good to have it in the requirements, but it should be solved more generally
... e.g., as is being done in the Media Annotations WG

Judy: so remove it? keep it but tie it to other work?
... is there a suggestion?

Eric: I would suggest it be listed as a general requirement any time we pull in resources that are not the [master media resource]

<silvia> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements#Production_practice_and_resulting_requirements

Eric: I think we should remove it from this section
... because we are otherwise implying that it's not important in other sections as well

[we have agreement to remove it from this section]

[Silvia is making changes to the source live]

janina: resolution on TAD-3 is "if you can support it, you should"

Philip's comment about that was, "Sounds like a quality of implementation issue for UAs, not something all UAs will be able to do on all platforms"

[no objections to making that change]

janina: this is a UA issue, not a user issue

Eric: this is one of those that there is no way to support on all platforms

silvia: we should document what we expect the default/minimum to be

Eric: it won't be a very good user experience if a UA is not able to handle it
... because the descriptions will be out of sync

janina: I can't see this being used in, say, a Hollywood movie
... it seems like something that's limited to the case of using in an [instructional context only]
... this is new ground here.. brand new... have not had this ability in the past

[we are btw discussing TAD-4]

Eric: amount that a UA keeps buffered is not infinite

[changes made to requirements doc]

moving on to comment from Eric: "If we want people to be able to create interoperable pages, this requirement must specify a TAD file format.

"

plus:

(TAD-1), (TAD-2), (TAD-4), and (TAD-5) Aren't these all requirements for the TAD file format?

(TAD-3) This won't be possible on all platforms, for example devices that only allow one mode of audio output.

"

janina: I think, Eric, I agree with you

<scribe> ACTION: janina to add some introductory text to requirement docs clarifying that these are user requirements, not necessarily UA requirements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-50 - Add some introductory text to requirement docs clarifying that these are user requirements, not necessarily UA requirements [on Janina Sajka - due 2010-06-23].

next comment was from Marco Ranon, about a typo, and that is now fixed

next comment is from Masatomo Kobayashi, "TAD-2 Could label the three specific requirements so that we could easily refer to each item?"

[not clear to scribe what the resolution was on Kobayashi-san's "(TAD-3) This won't be possible on all platforms, for example devices that only allow one mode of audio output." comment, so would like for somebody to please record that here if possible]

<silvia> Koboyashi TAD-3 comment was already resolved through addressing Philip's comment

<scribe> scribe: Sean

<janina> Rich is asking for API support

Judy: Should be 'support presentation of'

eric: we are documenting user requirements, not UA reqts

Judy: 'support presentation of'

Do we want the additional specificity

Silvia: has made edit

judy: access to textual representation of description

in order that it can be presented to a screen reader

support for different options for the overflow case

silvia: addressing richards comment may have addresed this

No W3C recommendation on emotional markup

moving to clear audio

moving to extended audio description

Eric: Big difference between a demo and shipping code

Janina: this is a new user requirement

if a major player wants to do it then fine

Eric: should this be listed as a requirement

Silvia: should soften must into "advanced functionality"

Judy: what does detailed user control mean

Silvia: what to do in the case of overflow

Judy: This requires too much domain knowledge
... make conditional and reference TAD 4

comment is SMIL would be an enormous undertaking

Sean: could this be achieved with a simpler technology?

Silvia: These are technical comments, and we shouldnt go there in this doc

Eric: I'm concerned that if we come out with a doc saying these are the reqts, then its a conclusion all need to be supported by UA

Janina: This is an advanced feature

<silvia> How about: Note that this is an advanced feature and would only be expected by advanced systems.

Silvia: How about: Note that this is an advanced feature and would only be expected by advanced systems

Judy: Capture a note to provide definition of EAD

Eric: the crux is the strictness of the synchronisation

without it wont provide a good user experience

Judy: response is?

Janina: Not convinced that loose synchronisation is acceptable

EAD 1 should be split into two provisions

Silvia: re-order to clarify that its the control that is key

Janina: Previous section is covering this area too
... 3 out of 17 is not fast enough

there is too much to go throgh, suggesting a virtula f2f

Judy: suggest people to pair up and take on different sections

Eric: +1 to Judy

Janina: 3 teams Sean & silvia; Eric and John; Janina and Judy

Judy: Discovery is huge, rest is fairly even

Sean: load balance in email

Silivia: Will do the assignments

teams to cover their work by next tuesday

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: janina to add some introductory text to requirement docs clarifying that these are user requirements, not necessarily UA requirements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
 
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