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Internationalization Core Teleconference

16 Jun 2010

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
addison, richard, norbert, mati, david, najib
Regrets
Aharon
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips

Contents


<scribe> Scribe: Addison Phillips

<scribe> ScribeNick: aphillip

Minutes and Agenda review

Action Items

addison: create semi-empty page for Calendar discussion with DAP

http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/CalendarVariations

Richard to send email to HTML5 about bidi meeting

stale

Info Share

richard: css list buzzing with i18n topics
... long thread on vertical text
... some discussions on bidi
... and on list style type

addison: good to look in on that

richard: localization world talk

<r12a> http://bit.ly/alHFkl

richard: good talk by Christian Lieske on ITS and XLIFF
... also a good one on IDNs and TLDs
... , but small audience

Media Fragment Track Names

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0149.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0150.html

http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-media-frags-20100413/#naming-track

<fsasaki> see also discussion at media fragment WG list - they are considering to reformulate the production in terms of 3987 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jun/0025.html

http://www.w3.org/TR/charmod-resid/

(addison pleads for additional IRI editors)

"recommend use of IRI to all working groups; please come back for a review when ready"

"RFC 3987 or its successor"

richard: point out that percent escaping not very legible
... especially for non-Latin scripts

<scribe> ACTION: Addison: send official response to media-fragments endorsing use of IRI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-core-minutes.html#action01]

Date and Time Issues in HTML5

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010May/0012.html

david: how to we send along?

<DavidClarke> When a date or a time input field is defined, the input type should normally be of the type \ldblquote date\rdblquote or \ldblquote datetime\rdblquote . \ldblquote datetime-local\rdblquote or \ldblquote date-local\rdblquote should be sued only when the date or time would be meaningful without a timezone, such as a birthday, publication date or on an alarm clock, as they contain incomplete information.

<DavidClarke> There are dangers of using \ldblquote datetime-local\rdblquote and \ldblquote date-local\rdblquote to specify the occurrence of an event. If used in this way, they must be manipulated in a context that includes relevant external data. Their values may not be meaningfully compared or assigned to data types that include timezone information. Validation and interpretation of such fields would be problematic. For example when Dayl

<DavidClarke> ight Saving Time applies, certain times would exist twice in the same locale, when clocks \ldblquote go back\rdblquote , and other times would never exist in a locale, when clocks \ldblquote go forwards\rdblquote .

<scribe> ACTION: David: send us text for date-time in HTML5 for WG approval and forwarding to HTML-WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-core-minutes.html#action02]

David has potential regrets for next week

Bidi WG Note progress

mati: (summary of f2f)
... good meeting; 3 factors
... arahon organized good setup (thanks to him)
... aharon prepared summary documents to start from
... participants were quite knowledgeable and knew details
... good and lively discussions, very efficient
... good results
... results were set of decisions that aharon is working on documenting
... should publish by end of the week or early next week
... he just returned home
... or returning home
... notes being polished for publication
... target is HTML5 and CSS WGs
... many organizations represented
... decisions seemed good to me, based on consensus
... people were able to reach agreement after discussion from various points of view
... requiremetns and suggestions for working groups
... after 2 days clear that we wouldn't complete everything and so added a third day
... many but not all were able to participate
... most contentious part (algorithm to use for auto-dir)... unable
... to reach closure. Aharon getting some data from google
... degree of complexity was pretty high
... efficiency maybe not very good

<najib> Zakime, unmute me

mati: will soon get statistics on real data to find where good price/performance would be
... on other parts some "final" decisions for our WG Note's proposals
... also some points for JS/Webapps WGs

najib: browser right-justify text in RTL mode
... this is not in HTML4
... but probably should be in HTML5

richard: isn't this in our WG note draft? don't recall

addison: we need to check on that

if dir=rtl then text-align=right

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Addison: send official response to media-fragments endorsing use of IRI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-core-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: David: send us text for date-time in HTML5 for WG approval and forwarding to HTML-WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/16-core-minutes.html#action02]
 
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