HTML Weekly Teleconference

10 Jun 2010


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Laura, Carlson
Paul Cotton
Adrian Bateman


<trackbot> Date: 10 June 2010

<scribe> ScribeNick: adrianba

<scribe> Scribe: Adrian Bateman

<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-06-10: action items, decision policy, task force reports, publication status from Paul Cotton on 2010-06-10 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from April to June 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

paulc: expect this meeting to be short
... chairs have had limited availability and limited overlap to be able to move items forward

ACTION items due by Thu Jun 10

paulc: None this week

<MikeSmith> action-181?

<trackbot> ACTION-181 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to explore extracting assertions from the HTML5 spec -- due 2011-05-03 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/181

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-181 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<MikeSmith> action-180?

<trackbot> ACTION-180 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to post more videos for testing -- due 2011-05-03 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/180

<plh> close action-180

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-180 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<trackbot> ACTION-180 Post more videos for testing closed

<plh> close action-181

<trackbot> ACTION-181 Explore extracting assertions from the HTML5 spec closed

paulc: could plh/krisk please close ISSUE 180 and 181

Items that close this week (by Thu Jun 10)

<plh> done

paulc: there were none

New Issues This Week

paulc: None of these either.

New Calls for Proposals/Counter Proposals/Consensus this week

paulc: none although agenda items 5/6 point to items we may be doing next week
... there wasn't an opportunity to make decisions to get these done this week

Candidate new Calls for counter proposals next week


<trackbot> ISSUE-109 -- change ARIA section title and add extra text about use of ARIA -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/109

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-109 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)


<trackbot> ISSUE-110 -- Change Control for text/html-sandboxed media type -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/110

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-110 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

paulc: chairs plan to issue calls for counter proposals next week
... we have change proposals for these
... we'd like to measure consensus by asking for counter proposals

Candidate new Calls for consensus next week


<trackbot> ISSUE-101 -- Spec reference for US-ASCII -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/101

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-101 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)


<trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)


<trackbot> ISSUE-107 -- Politics in fallback example for plugin usage -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/107

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-107 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

paulc: does anyone have comments?
... plan to do a call for consensus

WG Decision Policy update

paulc: no update - maciej does the heavy lifting here
... he has been on vacation so nothing has happened here recently

Survey results

paulc: survey results on 4 issues


<trackbot> ISSUE-93 -- Delete Details Element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/93

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-93 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)


<trackbot> ISSUE-95 -- Remove/Discard the Hidden Attribute -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/95

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-95 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)


<trackbot> ISSUE-96 -- Remove/Discard the Progress Element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/96

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-96 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)


<trackbot> ISSUE-97 -- Remove/Discard the Meter Element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/97

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-97 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

paulc: chairs haven't yet had a chance to discuss the results of these surveys
... this will be item #1 on the agenda for monday

Heartbeat Working Drafts & First Public Working Drafts

paulc: anyone following public-html know that sam and paul put the request on hold late on tuesday
... there has been lots of e-mail and changes are being made to the docs
... one formal objection has been raised on a related issue
... we will pick this up on monday in the chairs meeting
... any comments?
... okay, this is pending on the chairs

Task Force Reports - Accessibility Task Force

janina: news from the A11Y TF is that we have a complete proposal for issue-74


<trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

janina: but we also plan to send a counter proposal
... this may sound strange but we have two possible alternatives and we think implementers should comment on the options

paulc: you said proposal and counter proposal - does that mean more consensus for one or the other?

janina: i don't think people have a strong opinion on which is best - they both have strong merits
... people want help deciding between them

paulc: can i say you have two alternate engineering proposals that solve this?

janina: we have two to consider but one that is ready to publish
... that's pretty much it
... the media sub tf is working through requirements, etc.

<MikeSmith> issue-9?

<trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

janina: there is a lot of work here but it is proceeding
... we wouldn't want to publish this document (the requirements) in its current form
... but we think it does convey the central issues well
... for example, not necessarily everyone is expected to do everything in the doc
... the point is that the spec needs to support these use cases
... otherwise there is no opporunity to provide the support some communities may need
... multiple tracks of video, audio, text and some way to sync time on those
... if you implement this then you would be expected to behave in this way
... so some small devices might not be able to do all these things
... just like not all authored content is required to do this
... but it needs to be possible
... hcg suggested we try to get more of the industry involved in this space
... i'm proceeding on the basis that this has the possibility of becoming _the_ next media platform

Task Force Reports - Testing Task Force

krisk: group met as planned on 6/1

<krisk> Meeting Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Jun/0000.html

<pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 6/1/2010 from Kris Krueger on 2010-06-01 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from June 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

krisk: plh was able to set up our automatic publishing from hg

<plh> http://test.w3.org/html/

<pimpbot> Title: HTML Testing area (at test.w3.org)

<krisk> see See -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Jun/0002.html

<pimpbot> Title: test.w3.org and test2.w3.org from Philippe Le Hegaret on 2010-06-02 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from June 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

krisk: group is working on async harness proposed by jgraham
... and some video tests
... that's about it for now
... meet again next tuesday - every second week - calendar is on the wiki

<plh> --> http://media.w3.org/2010/05/video/ Videos for testing

<pimpbot> Title: Index of /2010/05/video (at media.w3.org)

Other Business

paulc: anything else people want to raise?

Scribe for next meeting

paulc: any volunteers?
... none heard
... now that we will have 3 co-chairs back we will be able to push things along again
... watch your mail on mon/tue


paulc: thanks everyone

Summary of Action Items

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