ARIA mapping group - HTML A11Y TF

11 May 2010


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Janina, Rich, Steve_Faulkner, Michael_Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly


<MichaelC> Last week's minutes

<MichaelC> ARIA mapping issues and actions

<cshelly> url for actions?

<MichaelC> action-39: duplicate of action-38

<MichaelC> close action-39

<MichaelC> action-2: superseded by the creation of the ARIA mapping sub-group

<MichaelC> close action-2

<MichaelC> scribe: janina

<scribe> scribe: janina

general discussion trying to achieve clarity on our actions


sf: the current (modified) mapping doc is roughly this
... understand we need a rationale

cs: let's look at the role categories -- where's the table?

<cshelly> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/roles#roles_categorization

cs: looking at this link is descendent of widget, should it be overwritable by any widget?

sf: somewhat confused ... command is also subclass of widget

<davidb> regrets, I am IRC only for now

cs: pieces of a slider often made of links, but not the slider itself ...
... is it inputs that are not also composites?

sf: spinbutton is subclass of range ... trying to follow the text because can't follow the chart

cs: buttons, list items, and menu items, and tree items most link users
... does turning a link into a checkbox make sense?

sf: seen it being done
... looking for an example
... aren't we just going to define by mapping

cs: so it's buttons and options?

rs: anything activatable -- so not grid

mc: i updated taxonomy last week, some where hard to graph

<cshelly> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/rdf_model

<richardschwerdtfe> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/rdf_model.svg

cs: link is a command--so we can say all commands can replace each other


cs: so, links can be turned into commands and ranges


sf: thumb displaying the range isn't marked with a role, is it?
... usually slider is a container element

cs: it's clearer that commands are the same
... range does seem very different
... can't say i've seen a lot of this

rs: not difficult

cs: can menu items?

rs: suppose

cs: doesn't seem to make sense

rs: perhaps a spinbutton

cs: but ht5 already has

rs: but as a range item
... could have a menu item with a slider in it

<cshelly> Commands can all replace each other

<cshelly> buttons and links are special cased. they can be replaced by ranges which are not composites

<cshelly> commands=link, button, menuitem, menuitemcheckbox, treeitem, menuitemradio

above from cs appears to be group consensus

further checking via the diagram

mc: explaining uml convention where arrow points to parent

<cshelly> ranges that are not composites = progressbar, slider, scrollbar

mc: another internal convention is that all roles are in rows
... anything below is descendent

cs: option is a command in ht5,

mc: but not here ...

cs: suggest: any role can be overwritten by a descendent

mc: should one of our best design patterns

cs: a bp or this doc

mc: both

cs: suggest: div and span can be overwritten by anything

sf: take that for granted

janina: never take rocks for granite

general agreement

cs; inputs are trickier ...

cs: options often overwritten by menu item
... expect ht5 to do that automagically

sf: inputs in ref to command?

cs: looking at taxonomy
... not reasonable to say all inputs can overwrite each other

sf: what about tree item

cs: not a command
... it's a list item
... so three decisions -- and if we see this doesn't work, probably a taxonomy error

sf: sounds good

cs: so next week i'm due for a draft

sf: yes, all of us
... rich, cyns, and steve

rs: i'm out next week

cs: should discuss input or my deliverable
... which is best?
... maybe inputs, ranges and some coposite for next week

<cyns> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9326

Summary of Action Items

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