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Widgets Voice Conference

06 May 2010

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Art, Marcos, Frederick, Arve, Kenneth, Josh
Regrets
Robin, Marcin
Chair
Art
Scribe
Art

Contents


<scribe> Scribe: Art

<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB

Review and tweak agenda

AB: draft agenda posted on May 4 ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0445.html ). Any change requests?

Announcements

AB: Reminder: comment period for 15-Apr-2010 LCWD of Digital Signatures for Widgets spec ends May 6: http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-widgets-digsig-20100415/
... Reminder: comment period for 20-Apr-2010 LCWD of View Mode Media Feature spec ends 18-May-2010: http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-view-mode-20100420/

<Marcos> /me tlr, right. We do another LC.

Digital Signature spec

AB: Marcos submitted some comments against the 15-Apr-2010 LCWD ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0392.html ).
... do any of the changes affect an implementation? Do we need to publish another LCWD?
... I gather we'd prefer not to publish another LC but we also agree that it would be good to get review on the changes

<tlr> For the record, I'm in favor of doing another LC.

FH: I think we should publish another LC
... we need to get review of the changes
...

MC: I can live with another LC
... we can use it to continue to work on the test suite

<fjh> additional proposed change before last call http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0499.html

AB: OK, so we will indeed publish a new LC
... also have a comment from Andreas ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0481.html )

FH: we need to make that change
... but it won't affect an implementation
... we should make that clarificatin

AB: Marcos, have you looked at this comment from Andreas?

MC: yes, I think that was the intention

<fjh> ggest we change 3a from "The URI attribute ..." to be "For

<fjh> references that are not same-document references, the URI attribute..."

AB: can that change be added to the spec today?

MC: yes

AB: propose we publish a new LC with Marcos' changes plus an edit to address Andreas' comment
... any objections to that proposal?

[ None ]

RESOLUTION: we will publish a new LC of widget-digsig with Marcos' changes plus an edit to address Andreas' comment

AB: LC comment tracking doc: http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42538/WD-widgets-digsig-20100415/ but since we are going to publish another LC, I don't see a need to track comments for the 20-Apr-2010 LC
... anything else for DigSig?

FH: status should say it is a revision

MC: yes, I'll add that

<scribe> ACTION: marcos notify Art when the widget-digsig LC is ready for publication [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-536 - Notify Art when the widget-digsig LC is ready for publication [on Marcos Caceres - due 2010-05-13].

AB: thanks guys!

FH: thanks Marcos

MC: when will LC period end

AB: if the 3-week LC starts May 11, then the comment period will end on June 1

Packaging and Configuration spec

AB: Marcos, what is the status of tests for the <span> element and dir attribute?

MC: we are waiting on closure for the I18N WG
... still haven't heard from them
... missing about 1/2 of the tests for the override

AB: I thought we had closed the loop with them

MC: they went quiet; don't know if that means they agree
... need to decide if the I18N tests become part of the main test suite

AB: if we do that, we loose some of our 100% implementations
... is that correct?

MC: yes

AB: I'm opposed to doing it then

MC: agree, the I18N tests are separate from the core test suite
... an impl Should be able to handle the I18N stuff
... but we can't put UI reqs in the spec

AB: first step is getting closure from I18N WG

MC: we can't go to PR without 2 I18N impls

<scribe> ACTION: barstow ask I18N WG if they approve the span and dir changes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-537 - Ask I18N WG if they approve the span and dir changes [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-05-13].

AB: ACTION-533 "P&C spec: re the dir attributes "lro" and "rlo" values, need to define these or add a reference to their definitions" ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/actions/533 )
... Marcos and I talked about this in IRC last
... week without any resolution
... are these override values used much in HTML?

Arve: no, don't think so

Kenneth: no, not much use

MC: get them for "free" via unicode
... the idea is to say something like: see Unicode's bidi algorithm for more info about the overrides

AB: OK, so there is agreement something needs to be added

MC: yes, I'll address this action

Widget interface spec

AB: ISSUE-116 "Need to flesh out the security considerations for the openURL method in the Widget Interface spec" ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/116 ).
... MC proposed text here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0439.html
... that text looked OK to me

MC: a question is whether or not this becomes normative
... I also asked Adam Barth about that

AB: did Adam respond?

MC: not yet
... and TLR was wondering about Adam's feedback

<scribe> ACTION: barstow follow up with Adam Barth re http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0439.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-538 - Follow up with Adam Barth re http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0439.html [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-05-13].

AB: my gut feel is to make that text non-normative

MC: TLR was inclined to make it Normative

AB: I would like that spec to remain in Candidate

<arve> no comments from me

MC: I agree

<kenneth> none from me either

WARP spec

AB: note, that Robin isn't here
... are there any developments on the test suite?

MC: I am not aware of any work on the WARP test suite

AB: is some additional text needed re the default policy ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0456.html )
... this thread was started by Scott Wilson
... Marcos' replies provided good info
... do we need some new text about default policy?

MC: I think we should wait for Robin's input here
... need to have more discussion especially re embedded widgets
... embedded widgets get their origin from the Web page
... we need a spec about what happens here i.e. Web sec model or Widget sec model

<scribe> ACTION: robin work with Marcos on what WARP should or should not say for the default security model re AB: is some additional text needed re the default policy ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0456.html ) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-539 - Work with Marcos on what WARP should or should not say for the default security model re AB: is some additional text needed re the default policy ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0456.html ) [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-05-13].

URI scheme spec

AB: without Robin, we won't do a deep dive today
... ACTION-526 "Widget URI scheme: define the widget *URI* syntax in terms of RFC 3986 per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0141.html" ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/actions/526 )
... ISSUE-16 "Do widgets need their own URI scheme?" ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/16 )
... what do we do with this Issue?
... should we just close it?
... we have a spec which certainly implies we need it

MC: yes, I would close it

<scribe> ACTION: barstow close Issue-16 base on the widget: URI scheme LC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-540 - Close Issue-16 base on the widget: URI scheme LC [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-05-13].

<scribe> ACTION: barstow can tracker be rigged so that the assignee is sent an e-mial when an action is created? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-541 - Can tracker be rigged so that the assignee is sent an e-mial when an action is created? [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-05-13].

View Modes

AB: ISSUE-97 "How is ViewModes DOM related to CSSOM?" ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/97 ).
... we have decided to use CSSOM spec
... and not a View Modes API spec
... thus I think we can close this

MC: agree

<kenneth> im fine with closing it

<scribe> ACTION: barstow close issue-97 given the WG's decision to use CSSOM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-542 - Close issue-97 given the WG's decision to use CSSOM [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-05-13].

AB: ACTION-535 "VMMF spec: respond to CSS WG re timeline for the CSSOM spec" ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/actions/535 ). Discussion with CSS WG is public ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-hypertext-cg/2010AprJun/0005.html ). We are asked about timelines.
... does anyone have any input on the timelines for CSSOM?

MC: no; but think we need to submit our use cases
... to the CSS WG
... I sent them to Robin
... He gave me some feedback
... I need to integrate that feedback and then send them to the CSS WG

AB: ok, we will leave this open for now

Requirements doc

AB: It's now over one year since the Widget Requirements doc was last published. As such it is out-of-date with our specs as captured in ACTION-534 "Widget Reqs: update to include latest versions of specs (TWI, WARP, VMMF, P&C, etc.)" ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/actions/534 ).

MC: I need to update some refs
... and do some edits
... After we are done the widgets specs we can publish it as a WG Note
... I can identify those reqs we met and those we do not meet

AB: what do you mean by "done" here
... do you mean LC or CR?

MC: I don't think there is anything to be gained by publishing it

AB: do we have some reqs in specs that point to the Reqs doc but aren't actually in the Reqs doc?

MC: yes, there probably are some of those
... so in that case, a new pub would make sense

AB: I understand there are priorities but keeping specs in sync with Reqs doc would be good

MC: we do need to update the refs
... it would be some make work

AB: it is the only spec that still includes 1.0

<kenneth> it did cause me some confusion in the beginning :-)

<scribe> ACTION: barstow review the Reqs doc and update refs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-543 - Review the Reqs doc and update refs [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-05-13].

Moving from CVS to DVCS

AB: Marcos proposed moving the widget specs from CVS to DVCS ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0441.html ). So far the comments have been positive.
... in principle this is OK but support it IFF old links point to the new stuff
... have you done a trial?

MC: no but I know Robin is using the system

AB: I assume in the long term it will save us time
... like bulk checkins

JS: easy to do things like directory deletes

MC: also easier to do branches

JS: slight syntax diff between Mercurial and git

<timeless_mbp> there are minor command differences between hg and git

<timeless_mbp> but conceptually they should be feature equivalent

AoB

AB: Next voice conference is May 13
... meeting adjourned

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: barstow ask I18N WG if they approve the span and dir changes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: barstow can tracker be rigged so that the assignee is sent an e-mial when an action is created? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: barstow close Issue-16 base on the widget: URI scheme LC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: barstow close issue-97 given the WG's decision to use CSSOM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: barstow follow up with Adam Barth re http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0439.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: barstow review the Reqs doc and update refs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: marcos notify Art when the widget-digsig LC is ready for publication [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: robin work with Marcos on what WARP should or should not say for the default security model re AB: is some additional text needed re the default policy ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0456.html ) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-wam-minutes.html#action04]
 
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