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sribe: florian
<scribe> scribe: florian
<chris> I have sent a mail with an updated version of the API-document
changed several agenda items
<scribe> new agenda: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_ViennaF2F
chris sent the new document version
http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0-respec.html
going through a list of collected API issues regarding the API doc
<chris> is this list available onlineM
<chris> ?
RESOLUTION: first version of the API document will only contain GET methods
Excel file containing remaining issues: https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/~stegmai/API_issues.xlsx
Wonsuk: we need to add general examples how MAObject can be retrieved, e.g. in a JavaScript example
Chris: this must be a elaborated example
<scribe> ACTION: chris to come up with a good JavaScript example for the access of MAObject [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-237 - Come up with a good JavaScript example for the access of MAObject [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-05-04].
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Wonsuk: this is already done
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Chris: already done
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Chris: yet no changes for this issue
<scribe> ACTION: chris to add example regarding column 11 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-238 - Add example regarding column 11 [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-05-04].
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<chris> done
Group wants to keep the picture in the specification
<chris> +1
<scribe> ACTION: werner to convert the image in the API doc to svg [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-239 - Convert the image in the API doc to svg [on Werner Bailer - due 2010-05-04].
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Chris: setMAResource is ok for me
- already changed it
... the name is not important for me
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Florian: setMAResource is misleading
Martin: perhaps select would be better?
<scribe> ACTION: wonsuk to change the name of method "setMAResource" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-240 - Change the name of method "setMAResource" [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-05-04].
Florian: name of "setMAResource" method is misleading
Martin: perhaps select would be better?
<scribe> ACTION: wonsuk to change the name of method "setMAResource" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-241 - Change the name of method "setMAResource" [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-05-04].
Joakim: we should also send the reviewer the summary files for the docs
API Doc summary file for the reviewer available at: https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/~stegmai/API_summary_file.xls
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Joakim: can you explain what getProperty does?
Chris: if you ask for a value of a property (e.g., title), getProperty retrieves an array containing the objects
Chris: here you can see an
example of getProperty in JavaScript
... i will make examples for all properties and also the
general examples
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Chris: changed
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Chris: felix said he wants to
change it
... sylvia proposed how to do this
<chris> felix to update the service examples with apropriate structured JSON
<scribe> ACTION: felix to update the service examples with apropriate structured JSON [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-242 - Update the service examples with apropriate structured JSON [on Felix Sasaki - due 2010-05-04].
<tobiasb> Page for the RDF Taskforce: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Ontology_Implementation
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a real example should be added to clarify
<chris> +1
<chris> if somebody has a good example we can update the document
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Chris: changed
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Chris: will be replaced by the description interface
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Chris: also changing into keyword interface
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Chris: done
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Chris: done
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agreed at the TPAC and also changed in the ontology doc
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real example should be added
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Chris: changed
Joakim: we need units for framesize (pixels != svg)
<scribe> ACTION: wonsuk to adding units to the framesize [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-243 - Adding units to the framesize [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-05-04].
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Chris: updating it
<scribe> ACTION: chris to update the doc regarding item 40 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-244 - Update the doc regarding item 40 [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-05-04].
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<scribe> ACTION: chris to update the doc regarding item 41 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-245 - Update the doc regarding item 41 [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-05-04].
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<scribe> ACTION: wonsuk to update the change the bitrate into averagebitrate [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-246 - Update the change the bitrate into averagebitrate [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-05-04].
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Chris: should be resolved
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Chris: keep as is
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-1
<scribe> ACTION: florian to discuss possible error messages as an input for the diagnosis section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html#action11]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-247 - Discuss possible error messages as an input for the diagnosis section [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2010-05-04].
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Chris: removed
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<scribe> done (security disclaimer)
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Joakim: should we forward this to Dom
<scribe> ACTION: joakim to ask dominique regarding item 53 (WebIDL) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html#action12]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-248 - Ask dominique regarding item 53 (WebIDL) [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-05-04].
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aggreed
since not every item has been clarified, please look into this Excel file for detailed informations:
https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/~stegmai/API_doc_final.xls
This file will be also given to the reviewer.
<chris> the new version of the API document is online
<chris> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0-respec.html
<scribe> scribe: florian
Tobias: Martin and i have updated the wiki page entry - Veronique and Pierre-Antoine did?nt contribute yet
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Ontology_Implementation
Tobias: we could make a webimplementation using e.g., Dublin Core - may not cover everything
Jean-Pierre: why do you want to
use DC etc.? Don?t have the MA namespace
... you have to distinguish between classes and the
implementation
Tobias: we should define first the concepts and map these to other ontologies
Tobias (explaining Jean-Pierre point): we must first define classes that we need, than look into the implementation
Tobias: let?s go through the
mentioned classes in the wiki entry if they are complete
... better if they cover our needs
... first we need a class for resource
... why program?
Jean-Pierre: it?s just an
illustration
... for me resource is ok
Joakim: we should name it MediaResource
Tobias is going through the set of core properties and derives classes together with the group
List of needed classes: 1. MediaResource 2. Creator 3. Cotributor 4. Publisher 5. Location 6. Collection 7. MediaFragment 8. Concepts
Tobias: i do not know, if we need to distinguish between 2., 3. and 4.
Jean-Pierre: of course you can merge them, but than you have to define rules etc.
Werner: here we go beyond the
attributes we have defined
... the main question is how far we want to go in defining the
attributes of these classes
<scribe> scribe: florian
RESOLUTION: we take these classes defined in the 7th MAWG F2F (1. - 8.)
Tobias: we might add subclasses
to 1. if we want
... the next step is to define the properties
The group goes through the list and chooses, whether properties are data or object properties
identifier data property?
yes
title data property? - yes
language data property? -yes
locator - dp
contributor - op
creator - op
createDate dp
DP ma:identifier
DP ma:title
DP ma:language
DP ma:locator
OP ma:contributor
OP ma:creator
DP ma:createDate
OP ma:location
DP ma:description
DP ma:keyword
OP ma:genre
OP ma:rating
OP ma:relation
OP ma:collection
DP ma:copyright
DP ma:policy
OP ma:publisher
OP ma:targetAudience
OP ma:fragments
OP ma:namedFragments
DP ma:frameSize
DP ma:compression
DP ma:duration
DP ma:format
DP ma:samplingrate
DP ma:framerate
DP ma:bitrate
DP ma:numTracks
dp == data property, op == object property
Tobias will make a ontology proposal to have a basis to discuss.
<scribe> ACTION: tobiasb to come up with an ontology proposal on the basis of the Task Force Meeting in the 7th MAWG F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html#action13]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - tobiasb
<scribe> ACTION: tobias to come up with an ontology proposal on the basis of the Task Force Meeting in the 7th MAWG F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/27-mediaann-minutes.html#action14]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-249 - Come up with an ontology proposal on the basis of the Task Force Meeting in the 7th MAWG F2F [on Tobias Bürger - due 2010-05-04].
Tobias and some others will have some offline discussion about the ontology today and tomorrow.
Here we refelct the cahnges into the documents. No more scribing today.
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