SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference

30 Mar 2010

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<trackbot> Date: 30 March 2010

1) Appointment of the scribe

<scribe> Scribe: Mark

2) Approval of prior meeting minutes

All approve the minutes from previous meetings

Review the agenda

All approve the agenda with no amendments

Review action items

Mark: No changes now felt necessary for clarification on Topic support

close action-138

<trackbot> ACTION-138 Raise the question of Topic support as an issue closed

Eric: 146 - still following this up

Mark: 147 - complete

close action-147

<trackbot> ACTION-147 Apply the resolution to issue 28 closed

Mark: 148 - will respond to mailing list

Phil: 150 done

close action-150

<trackbot> ACTION-150 Raise issue re: assertion 2014 and propose a resolution closed

<eric> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2010Mar/0026.html

Eric: 152 is complete - bogus action item (spec changes already made)

close action-152

<trackbot> ACTION-152 Address use of the word "may" in the second bullet of the soapjms:contentType description within the SOAP/JMS binding spec closed

Eric: 153


Eric: action is complete

close action-153

<trackbot> ACTION-153 Investigate feasibility of operating JMS in the cloud closed

Mark: 154 still pending

Phil: 155 still pending

Eric: 156 - complete - see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2010Mar/0024.html

close action-156

<trackbot> ACTION-156 Come uo with counter proposal for issue 31 (isFault) closed

URI specification

Still pending - per action to chase up Oracle

Raised Issues


Marl: Will respond to mailing list - issue to remain "Raised"

Issue 32: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/issues/32

Eric: Proposal is to remove Protocol-2015 assertion for the 3 reasons given in the link

RESOLUTION: No objections to opening Issue 32

Issue 33: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/issues/33

Phil: Aim is to clean up assertion 2014: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/ws/soapjms/soapjms.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#Protocol-2014

RESOLUTION: No objections to opening Issue 33

Accepting proposals to close open issues

Eric: Skipping issue 27 - updating the URI which should be straightforward

Mark: Issue 30 http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/issues/30
... Should we mention the URI in the WSDL 2.0 section which aims to clarify precedence rules

<eric> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/ws/soapjms/soapjms.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#wsdl-11-example

Amy: Do not agree that this proposal clarifies the spec - may make it more murky

Eric: From the example linked above, a property could be put in the URI (line 41)
... Looking at the WSDL2 example - properties could go in line 19 (URI)
... or the endpoint (outside the URI)

Amy: The attributes of Endpoint take precedence of it's child elements

Eric: Proposal could be stronger if it says "The address attribute of the endpoint wins over endpoint elements, which wins over service".... etc

Peter: This is a fairly pathological case

Amy: Agreed extensibility in WSDL doesn't normally include the contents - we are looking at a case where properties in an attribute are different from the content of the element which is unlikely

<eric> (eric getting virtual feathers ready....)

Amy: WSDL 2.0 establishes clear precedence rules (unlike WSDL 1.1) so if we specify additional behaviour in SOAP/JMS we will be effectively modifying the WSDL2.0 spec.

Phil: So by saying "Endpoint wins over service" - does that include the address attribute overriding child extensibility elements?

Amy: No, you wouldn't expect child elements to override the attributes - this is what Peter called the pathalogical case

Eric: We could go back to section 3.4.4 and say that the behaviour would be undefined if elements in the Port override properties in the address attribute

Phil: Does anyone have a problem that properties in the address attribute should *NOT* override child elements


Phil: Could be clearer in 3.4.4 about which URI we mean - i.e. the address attribute of the Port element

<scribe> ACTION: Phil to propose an alternate proposal to resolve issue 30 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-soap-jms-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-157 - Propose an alternate proposal to resolve issue 30 [on Phil Adams - due 2010-04-06].

Eric: Out of time


Eric: The high priority item for us in moving to PR is how we test for interoperability

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Phil to propose an alternate proposal to resolve issue 30 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-soap-jms-minutes.html#action01]
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