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<trackbot> Date: 12 March 2010
i have not gotten koffee yet, that's why
<scribe> Meeting: prov-xg
<scribe> Scribe: Yolanda
<Paolo> I can do it
<Paolo> (if I remember how...)
<Paolo> Yolanda: we are 1/2 way through the life of the incubator group
<Paolo> today's goals: this is a good time to checkpoint, so we want to make sure that we communicate to people outside this group
<Paolo> reaching out is a priority
<Paolo> 1) current organisation of the wiki
<Paolo> Yolanda has been updating the wiki in terms of content
<Paolo> ideas to make it more useful/usable?
<Paolo> Sam Coppens: found what I was looking for
<Christine> Should the date be February 2010 rather than 2009 for the quote attributed to John Sheridan?
<Paolo> (Juliana Freire - Univ. Utah introduces herself)
<JimM> Is the Mendeley list referenced on the main wiki page?
<Paolo> @Jim seems not
<Paolo> Paolo: will see how to best advertise the current Mendely content and make it broadly available
<Paolo> Yolanda: our first deliverable is a synthesis of the requirements for provenance
<Paolo> centered around 3 "mega use cases" that Paul Groth is assembling
<Paolo> J Cheney is also putting together one of these cases
<Paolo> these will be discussed on the 19th
<Paolo> 3) what should we be doing to prepare for the next deliverable as we go through the thematic discussions
<DeborahMcG> at some point in the telecon, i would like to announce that the updated abstract deadline for IPAW 2010 is tonight midnight hawaii time (and the updated full paper due date is next friday midnight)
<Paolo> Paolo: need to be careful not to lose information
<Christine> Re the subject matter calls - there seem to be from 2 main perspectives: (1) What work is going on in the provenance space (2) Areas that would find provenance useful (e.g. e Gov)
<Paolo> because the deliv is likely to be the main doc that external people will look at
<Paolo> Yolanda: is the current mechanism ok? calls/irc/ external guests as we have done so far
<Paolo> Jun: comment on the mega- use case:
<Paolo> see if specific application areas (eg e-government) can be generalised
<Paolo> as a matter of method
<Paolo> Jun: good immediacy to the invited talks, eg the opm session allowed for immediate feedback and clarifications
<Paolo> esp for people who wouldn't spend a long time going through the spec
<Christine> Hi. I missed that. Dropped off the call.
<Paolo> Yolanda: what topics for the coming weeks
<Luc> could someone talk about premis?
<Paolo> -multimedia, then Dublin Core, then PML, then provenance vocabulary already planned
<SamCoppens> I can talk about PREMIS
<Christine> If we can it might also be useful to hear from other industries/areas that would benefit from developments in provence
<Paolo> PREMIS will be add to the list
<Paolo> add -> added
<Paolo> Luc: +1 for provenir, possibly along with tjhe provenance vocabulary
<Paolo> Luc: when are we moving to the next phase of the incubator?
<Paolo> Yolanda: the goal of the presentations is to help us gain some perspective
<Paolo> prior to setting out to working on the final report
<Paolo> Luc: need to understand what the SOA report will contain, to drive further presentations/topics
<jun> something like different task forces?
<Luc> could we build a matrix technology x requirements?
<Paolo> Yolanda: when discussing deliv. 1 on March 19th it is a good chance to checkpoint
<Paolo> Yolanda: we could group task forces around the three main groups of provenance dimensions we have identified
<Paolo> Luc: tech/requirements matrix
<Paolo> Yolanda: will try to organise the task forces on the 19th
<Paolo> Jim: hard to do a synthesis activity online, maybe the f2f is the right place?
<Paolo> we may be able to collapse many requirements using a limited set of technology solutions
<Paolo> but this process is best carried out in the F2F
<Paolo> next topic: should we have an agreed upon working definition of provenance?
<JimM> or patterns rather than technologies
<Christine> Agree we should have a definition
<Paolo> ok thanks Jim
<JimM> e.g. metadata (of a wide range of types) + causality covers many use cases
<Luc> this may take the rest of the incubator life!
<DeborahMcG> i agree. i will send out what we are using in our slides later today when i am better connected
<Christine> It would be useful for people outside the provenance space
<Paolo> I usually explain by examples
<JimM> +1 for a working definition capturing the core
<Paolo> and those tend to be context-specific
<Paolo> Yolanda to create a wiki page where people can contribute their own defs of what provenance is or is not
<Paolo> Juliana +1
<Paolo> (was that Juliana?)
<Paolo> next topic: a set of slides to be used to present the group's activities
<Paolo> Yolanda: who can contribute?
<Paolo> Ivan: no immediate need to delvier a presentation to other W3C chairs, the times should be mature
<JimM> +1 for some shared slides about the WG - I'd be happy to comment/contribute
<Paolo> Ivan: presentation could be done to the W3C team beyond the SW activity, but when and only if the message is ready to be delivered
<Luc> we should also discuss the provenance of WHAT?
<Paolo> next topic: what may be the best use of our face to face meeting?
<Paolo> Jim: use it to do a working meeting for synthesis activity
<Paolo> Yolanda: suggestions on how to run the meeting and use the time?
<JimM> a definition of provenance, a taxonomy of provenance systems, patterns for provenance...
<Paolo> Jim: patterns of provenance: for example causality + certain tyeps of metadata is a pattern
<Paolo> that can capture many reqs at once
<Paolo> so patterns as a concise way to describe large number of reqs
<Paolo> Yolanda: where do we sit on the layer cake?
<Luc> I used to have a slide with provenance in the layer cake ;-)
<JimM> quick thought: it's a vertical like security...
<Paolo> Ivan: the layer cake may be outdated wrt current technology -- so may not be worth doing the exercise
<Paolo> last topic: do we need to adjust our planned activities or change our process?
<Paolo> (no comments)
<Paolo> +1 for skipping :-)
<Christine> I will not be able to attend
<Irini> +1 for skipping
<ivan> I will be away anyway:-)
<Paolo> schools are closed...
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