<pimpbot> planet: How should my application keep clients in sync with schema changes to HTML5 databases? <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2421400/how-should-my-application-keep-clients-in-sync-with-schema-changes-to-html5-datab> 4** Do any browsers yet support HTML5's checkValidation() method? <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2421218/do-any-browsers-yet-support-html5s-checkvalidation-method>
<pimpbot> planet: Do any browsers yet support HTML5's checkValidity() method? <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2421218/do-any-browsers-yet-support-html5s-checkvalidity-method>
<pimpbot> changes: hixie: Mention that non-conforming markup results in non-conforming DOMs in an example, by request. (whatwg r4839) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0089.html>
<pimpbot> planet: Write to javascript array within php loop <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2421875/write-to-javascript-array-within-php-loop>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8896] Clarify that anyone who is dissatisfied with a bug resolution may reopen or escalate <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0107.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 8896] Clarify that anyone who is dissatisfied with a bug resolution may reopen or escalate" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0108.html>
<pimpbot> planet: Dev.Opera: Everything you need to know about HTML5 video and audio <11http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/1531>
<pimpbot> changes: hixie: minor MIMESNIFf synchronisation (whatwg r4840) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0090.html>
<pimpbot> planet: Chrome/Webkit audio tag bug? <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2422598/chrome-webkit-audio-tag-bug> 4** Which technology is best to develop web2.0? Flex,JavaFX and html5 <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2406698/which-technology-is-best-to-develop-web2-0-flex-javafx-and-html5>
<MikeSmith> issue-80?
<trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-80 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<pimpbot> planet: Conflict between display none and the scrolling text what can instead of using display none <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2423157/conflict-between-display-none-and-the-scrolling-text-what-can-instead-of-using-di>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9224] It should be mentioned that setting playbackRate can be ignored. I.e. if playing backwards is not supported by the codec, if hardware acceleration does not support it, etc. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0110.html> 4** [Bug 9224] New: It should be mentioned that setting playbackRate can be ignored. I.e. if playing backwards is not supported by the codec, if hardware acceleration does not support it
<MikeSmith> @tell mjs I'm around now, for a while
<pimpbot> MikeSmith: You got it, player.
<pimpbot> mjs: Sent 1 minute ago: <MikeSmith> I'm around now, for a while
<mjs> MikeSmith: I wanted to talk to you about bugs
<MikeSmith> mjs: oK
<mjs> MikeSmith: there are two potentially useful things you could help with
<mjs> (1) possibly you could do the monthly report of bug stats that I've been doing (though I actually kind of like doing that, because it makes me more aware of what is going on with bugs)
<MikeSmith> OK.. maybe we could also set up a way to automate that
<mjs> (2) in theory according to the decision policy, someone should be checking bugs in RESOLVED state to make sure they contain the required info (the Editor's Response, a link to the spec diff if there was actually a spec change, a rationale that is actually some sort of meaningful rationale)
<MikeSmith> mjs: OK, I think we could automate that as well
<mjs> and if the bug does have that stuff, it should be moved to VERIFIED, and if not it should probably be reopened
<MikeSmith> I see
<MikeSmith> yeah, that makes sense
<MikeSmith> I can definitely help with that, one way or the other
<mjs> it could be automated, but I think the idea was to do some level of human checking (though I suspect an automated tool could catch at least some obviously wrong cases)
<MikeSmith> yes, true
<MikeSmith> hey, I do want to talk about this more, but I got to drop off
<mjs> sure, I have to go too
<mjs> later!
<MikeSmith> later man
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9225] New: lax interpretation of legacy encoding decl allows attackers to change encoding of a page <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0111.html>
<pimpbot> planet: Need HTML5 XML-mode "Hello, World" trivial web page example <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2424157/need-html5-xml-mode-hello-world-trivial-web-page-example>
<pimpbot> planet: Pune and Mumbai <11http://arunranga.com/blog/2010/03/pune-and-mumbai/> 4** SVG Wow! <11http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/CgfloplT8cM/svg-wow>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9224] It should be mentioned that setting playbackRate can be ignored. I.e. if playing backwards is not supported by the codec, if hardware acceleration does not support it, etc. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0112.html>
<pimpbot> planet: Streaming via RTSP or RTP in HTML5 <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1735933/streaming-via-rtsp-or-rtp-in-html5>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9226] New: The subcategories of form-associated elements should have consistent naming. Probably all of them should end in "elements". <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0113.html>
<pimpbot> planet: HTML5 video tag in chrome - wmv <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2425218/html5-video-tag-in-chrome-wmv>
<pimpbot> planet: Do HTML5 custom data attributes “work” in IE 6? <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2412947/do-html5-custom-data-attributes-work-in-ie-6>
<rubys> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Date: 11 March 2010
<cardona507> Good morning everyone
<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-11: decision policy, proposals, task forces from Sam Ruby on 2010-03-10 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
scribe is paulc
<mjs> hi all
<rubys> scribe: paulc
<rubys> scribenick: paulc
None this week.
<pimpbot> planet: Do any browsers yet support HTML5's checkValidation() method? <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2421218/do-any-browsers-yet-support-html5s-checkvalidation-method>
Deferred to TF discussions.
There is a recent dialogue between mjs and Larry Masinter.
Maciej is going to prepare a Editor's draft to deal with some of the bugs.
Co-chairs will discussion which bugs to deal with and then the WG will have an opportunity to review and discuss.
Timeframe for Editor's draft: in two weeks.
None this week.
<rubys> ISSUE-66?
<trackbot> ISSUE-66 -- image analysis heuristics -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/66
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-66 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
Issue-66: there are 2 counter proposals which means we have a total of 3 proposals.
<trackbot> ISSUE-66 image analysis heuristics notes added
<rubys> ISSUE-79?
<trackbot> ISSUE-79 -- Meta/@name=keywords should be specified (and made conforming) -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/79
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-79 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
Chairs will review status and will decide how to proceed.
No objections to proposal and at the end of this meeting will declare that we have consensus on Issue-79.
Issue-79 would then be moved to Pending Review until WG can verify editor's changes.
No items close next week.
None this week.
None this week.
None this week.
Testing TF report: Kris K
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8646] Private communication exception <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0114.html>
<krisk> Meet as planned on 3/9/2010
<krisk> Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Mar/0006.html
<pimpbot> Title: [minutes] 20100309 HTML Test Suite Task Force from Philippe Le Hegaret on 2010-03-09 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from March 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
<krisk> Working on the submission/approval procedures
TF is working on test case submission and approval procedures.
<plh_> --> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html/ Mercurial repository for the HTML Test Suite
<pimpbot> Title: html: shortlog (at dvcs.w3.org)
TF is successfully using Mercurial repository.
TF needs more direct involvement in their work.
Accessibility TF report:
<rubys> ACTION-138?
<trackbot> ACTION-138 -- Steve Faulkner to produce an ARIA matrix based on Henri's work -- due 2010-03-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/138
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-138 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<scribe> In progress. This ACTION is generating new bugzilla entries.
Will be actioned in two weeks at the TF F2F.
<scribe> New target date for ACTION-138 is Mar 25
<rubys> action-138 due mar 25
<trackbot> ACTION-138 Produce an ARIA matrix based on Henri's work due date now mar 25
<rubys> issue-9?
<trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
TF discussed today and there is a lot of email discussion. Not currently sure of progression.
Hoping to make progress at F2F. May be divide between implementers and accessibility needs.
Delivery no earlier than after the A11Y TF F2F in two weeks.
<rubys> issue-30?
<trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-30 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
TF expects to resolve this at the F2F in 2 weeks. Arrival at the WG is expected for Apr 22.
<rubys> issue-31?
<trackbot> ISSUE-31 -- What to do when a reasonable text equivalent is unknown/unavailable? -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/31
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-31 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
TF has a change proposal that needs time and review since it is a biggy.
We HAVE to be discussed at the F2F.
<Laura> HTML5 Change Proposal: Replace img Guidance for Conformance Checkers
<Laura> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20090126
<pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/ImgElement20090126 - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
May have a proposal for the WG on Apr 22 but this less sure than for Issue-30 (previous item).
<rubys> issue-32?
<trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-32 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
TF thought they were ready 2 weeks ago but were surprize by new counter proposals.
Janina has discussed to some authors and Janina is proposing a separate teleconference with resolve possible misunderstandings.
<Laura> ISSUE 32 table-summary: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status#summary
<pimpbot> Title: Accessibility Change Proposal Status - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
Interesting to Janina and others that breakdown is between TF participants that participate in the TF calls and those that don't.
No predicted arrival date - depends on scheduling said teleconference.
Janina suggested proposal for Issue-32 no earlier than 29 April
<rubys> issue-66?
<trackbot> ISSUE-66 -- image analysis heuristics -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/66
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-66 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
TF would probably be okay with the heuristics going away.
Proposals are a) go way b) leave as is c) add more text.
Janina thinks that TF would prefer a).
<rubys> issue-74?
<trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
GOOD NEWS!
TF thinks they may have a 1/3 to 1/2 solution.
<Laura> Provide accessibility implementation information for focus rectangle and caret : http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/canvasaccessibility
<pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/canvasaccessibility - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
TF telcon approved part of a solution today and this is going out for 48 hours approval.
TF expects to forward to WG early next week.
A separate proposal on "focus" is being worked on.
<Laura> Improve image maps, don't use @adom: Improve image maps, don't use @adom
Opera wants area maps from HTML4 to be added into the proposal.
<Laura> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/Map4NotAdom
<pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/Map4NotAdom - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
This is being suggested as an addendum and is a third part.
The "focus" 2nd proposal are considered mandatory to resolve the issue.
<rubys> issue-80?
<trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-80 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
The TF thinks the third proposal may be optional to some TF members.
Issue-80 will be discussed at the F2F and the ETA at the WG is Apr 22.
<rubys> issue-85?
<trackbot> ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-85 will be disccused at the PF F2F and the next update will occur on the Mar 25 WG call.
This covers ACTION-170.
<Laura> Accessibility Issues and Change Proposal Status
<Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status
<pimpbot> Title: Accessibility Change Proposal Status - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
We will close ACTION-170 and future A11Y TF reports should probably be structured as an issue review like this week.
<Laura> Accessibility Issues and Change Proposal Status
<Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status
<Laura> Minutes from HTML5 Accessibility Task Force Teleconferences
<Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Meetings/Minutes
<pimpbot> Title: Meetings/Minutes - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
close action-170
<trackbot> ACTION-170 Update A11Y timeline for tracker related issues closed
USA goes on DST this weekend which will cause times for next two weeks to be different in non-NA locations.
Adrian will scribe next week.
Ready to adjourn?
<cardona507> Thanks everyone
<Laura> bye
Adjourned at :30 after the hour.
<cardona507> bye
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