Internationalization Core WG Teleconference -- 10 Mar 2010

<aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips

<aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip

Norbert: how do I do that?
... and then they keep talking

<scribe> ScribeNick: Norbert

Addison: Hello Richard!

Minutes and Agenda review

<aphillip> added: time of call discussion for DST

Action Items

<aphillip> Richard: respond on our behalf to CSS on ruby issue

Richard: still ongoing

Addison: discussion going on

<aphillip> addison: if no news by next tuesday, ping HTML5 chairs for progress on Issue-88 call for alternatives

<aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Mar/0016.html

Addison: response from Sam Ruby
... not clear which process to follow, but will follow up

<aphillip> ACTION: addison: follow up on Issue-88 on March 23 with HTML-WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-minutes.html#action01]

<aphillip> addison: send note to html5 informing them of the document but asking not to review just yet

Addison: the document = bidi; Richard acted

Info Share

<fsasaki> felix: this week will present jltf work at xml prague

silence

<r12a> Jeff Jaffe

<aphillip> jeff jaffe

Richard: new CEO at W3C

teleconference time change due to DST

Addison: typically move to Californian afternoon for north american summer

Richard: rather than gathering availabilities, see whether we can continue with current time
... or nudge it

Addison: current participants California, UK, Australia, occasionally Israel

Andrew: current time is 3:30 am Australia

<David> DST change dates : http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst2010.html

David: are there people who would like to participate but can't because of timing?

<aphillip> http://tinyurl.com/yh4g6z5

Richard: Martin gave timing as reason for not participating

<aphillip> Monday, May 10, 2010 at 14:00:00 Mon 3:00 PM * Mon 7:00 AM * Midnight Mon-Tue Mon 5:00 PM *

<aphillip> London-SF-Brisbane-Jerusalem

Addison: David to come up with some options

<aphillip> ACTION: david: poll WG members for appropriate post-DST telecon time, including current time as an option [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-minutes.html#action02]

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=32113

Bidi WG Note progress

Addison: Thanks to Richard for FPWD

Richard: still have to get people to move over to new mailing list

Najib: some very good emails, need to work on answering to issues raised

<r12a> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-bidi/2010JanMar/

Richard: HTML folks sound eager to incorporate bidi
... need to start feeding requests to them
... need to look for uncontroversial issues

Najib: some issues raised on most topics that seemed uncontroversial
... e.g. usage of yes/no attribute values
... so discussion still needed
... maybe a few items that could be closed, but not significant parts of proposal

Addison: be cautious about forwarding items; may still be affected by discussion in other areas of doc
... take holistic approach

Najib: but HMTL is eager to close spec

Richard: HTML wants to get involved in discussions
... unfortunately not experts

<najib> What about renaming rename bdi attribute by sce (self contained entity)

<aphillip> go ahead najib...

<najib> <span sce dir="ltr"> -3 review.</span>

<najib> or <sce dir="ltr"> -3 review.</sce>

<najib> SCE is what give semantic to directional run

<najib> that's all

<r12a> najib, please send that comment to the public-i18n-bidi list, if you haven't already

<najib> OK

Addison: need to move fast and use bug mechanism, but make sure document is ready
... to enable holistic discussion with non-experts

Richard: we need to contribute to discussion and move it forward
... and then engage HTML group

<aphillip> agendum for next week: discuss bidi

<aphillip> ACTION: all: review the bidi note document, sending comments as appropriate, by next teleconference (17 March) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-minutes.html#action03]

Aharon: need to look at constants in word counting algorithms to determine RTL/LTR
... look at publicly available text, e.g., blogs, where direction has been set by editor

<najib> :-)

Aharon: this could take some months, but we don't seem to have that time
... take the time, or make a guess?

Addison: do the constants have to be in the spec?
... Google may be able to help with data analysis

Aharon: constants have significant impact; so far assuming 40% RTL means RTL, but people question this

Addison: word counting may not be most important feature

Richard: can it be left to the implementation?

Aharon: thinking is that should leave as little as possible to the implementation

Richard: may need help from HTML folks; flag as issue

Addison: continue discussion next week

Richard: discuss on list

Addison: need way to track issues and close them
... don't rely on issues scattered in document
... need list with numbers

Richard: can we engage the HTML folks without waiting for another rev of the document?

Addison: need to set up review table, then engage with HTML as a group

<aphillip> ACTION: Aharon: send to our mail list list of issues ready for HTML-WG and list of issues to address in our document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-minutes.html#action04]

Richard: use wiki table for issues lists

Aharon: is editor for bidi document

Richard: will provide help with tools

AOB?

Richard: bidi for widgets?
... need to provide examples

<aphillip> ACTION: richard: provide bidi examples for widgets P&C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/10-core-minutes.html#action05]

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