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<trackbot> Date: 03 March 2010
<scribe> scribe: Travis
<scribe> scribeNick: Travis
shepazu: New draft of the spec is now available.
<shepazu> DOM3 spec updated: http://dev.w3.org//2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
shepazu: I will take the 'magnify' event out and introduce it to the AIDE spec (Alternate Input Device Events)
<shepazu> http://dev.w3.org//2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#event-type-wheel
shepazu: Extended the ContextInfo section (per event--not done with it yet) to show the per-property value.
smaug: If stopPropagation() is called on an event and then it is later dispatched, what should happen?
shepazu: Is there a resolution to add the Event interface's properties to the ContextInfo?
Yes.
smaug: Yes
Our implementation is making most of the Events (that were changed to be UIEvents) UIEvents. I figured it's better to provide the 'detail' and 'view' properties.
smaug: DOM L2 Events speced most of these as deriving from Event interface. Some implementations are mapping the events as such.
shepazu: Wondering what the
implications are for having them be UIEvents?
... kinda makes sense semantically.
... I'm not passionate about either way.
... For now, I will leave these as-is (and note the change from
Event to UIEvent)
Windows platform does not natively offer dead key support to it's applications (via windows messages). Applications that want to support dead keys have to implment that support themselves.
<scribe> ACTION: shepazu to note to authors that dead-key support may not be available in some operating systems. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-webapps-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-499 - Note to authors that dead-key support may not be available in some operating systems. [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-03-10].
http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#key-values
BrowserBack, VolumeMute keys; what is the KeyboardEvent.location for them?
Action shepazu to state that unless otherwise noted, all key locations should be DOM_KEY_LOCATION_STANDARD.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-500 - State that unless otherwise noted, all key locations should be DOM_KEY_LOCATION_STANDARD. [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-03-10].
http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#keyset-DeadKeys
In the link, the two examples show composition events firing for dead keys, do they also fire for AltGraph combos?
scribe: Wanting a little more
clarity...
... In the Issue filed on first example, step 5: our prototype
feedback is that the key value should be e-with-accent.
shepazu: I should make a note, that the keydown in this example could be a combination of keys...
smaug: I don't believe that Gecko fires composition events in these cases (dead key/alt graph)...
shepazu: It's possible that composition events fire only when using an IME.
<scribe> ACTION: shepazu to clarify that key named key values (from sectoin 6.2.7) are not to be localized. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-webapps-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-501 - Clarify that key named key values (from sectoin 6.2.7) are not to be localized. [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-03-10].
<scribe> ACTION: shepazu to add a Calculator key to the named key values list. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-webapps-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-502 - Add a Calculator key to the named key values list. [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-03-10].
shepazu: Back to the composition
events topic for keyboard combos...
... It might be useful to have composition events fire (even
simulated) to allow web-page ime simulation.
<scribe> ACTION: Travis to discuss the process for getting a key value and any peripheral composition event simulation necessary. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-webapps-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-503 - Discuss the process for getting a key value and any peripheral composition event simulation necessary. [on Travis Leithead - due 2010-03-10].
<smaug> From a bug comment: "And looks like the draft still has some issues, e.g., compositionstart event is cancelable, but on GTK2 with uim or iBus, we cannot discard/commit the composition forcedly... I think the cancelable should be an option. The spec shouldn't guarantee that it's cancelable."
<scribe> ACTION: smaug to uncover for GTK whether compositionstart can be cancelable. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-webapps-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-504 - Uncover for GTK whether compositionstart can be cancelable. [on Olli Pettay - due 2010-03-10].
<smaug> "Should the compositionupdate event be fired only when the data value is changed? For example, our text event is dispatched when the caret
<smaug> position is changed in composition. But it seems that the event is redundant for web developers."
What are examples of this?
shepazu: soft keys may be
mobile.
... the number keys (0-9) on a phone would be from location:
mobile
... Example: web-based keyboard composition system--might be
useful to know if it came from mobile, to map numbers (e.g.,
#2) to common letter combinations (ABC).
<scribe> ACTION: shepazu Cite examples of when keys might be from DOM_KEY_LOCATION_MOBILE. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-webapps-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-505 - Cite examples of when keys might be from DOM_KEY_LOCATION_MOBILE. [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-03-10].
shepazu: Feedback on the list from Hallvord re: usage of the key property.
smaug: Should show [more] examples of usage of KeyboardEvent.key
May also want to remove the quotes from the unicode strings. E.g., '\u0009' should just be \u0009
shepazu: I've got a lot going on,
and won't have time to host a telecon for the next two
weeks.
... Please send feedback to the list as they come. The spec
probably won't change much.
<shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
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