Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

<DKA> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2010Mar/0000.html

<scribe> scribe: Jo

BP2 and implementation reports

Status Reports on BP2

adam: lots of implementation reports from Google but have not seen any others

dka: we're working on one at vodafone

dom: anyone else working on anything?

dka: how about if Starbucks offered free coffee vouchers in return for implementation reports? (sic)
... how about transcoding vendors?

seanp: what are you looking for?

dka: not that you have to implement all of the bps, but if you can show you implemented some of them then it would help

seanp: so if any of the BPs are being followed in the process of transformation

dka: yeah

seanp: I'll check into it

dka: what about W3C?

dom: not sure, but would it help ref credibility?
... I'll look into it
... but don't think it will help ref CR
... quickly denies that he will look into it but that Francois will

adam: anyone have a contact with FaceBook?

dka: yes I do, I will contact them
... Facebook and Opera that is

CT Guidelines Update / Status / LC Comments

<scribe> ACTION: dan to contact facebook and Opera ref implementation reports for BP2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1041 - Contact facebook and Opera ref implementation reports for BP2 [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2010-03-09].

CT Guidelines

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2010JanMar/ Comments

<dom> Thomas is happy

<dom> PFWG happy with two, looking for consensus on third

jo: PFWG is going back to consider the outstanding point

dom: they have till March 11 to come back on it

<dom> Anne's point on XMLHttpRequest

<dom> Eduardo's comment

dka: any other comments ... TAG ... ?

jo: no, nothing

dom: if we don't get feedback then we need to explain that we tried to reach them and there was no reply
... director may ask questions, but basically we are done

jo: main concern is that we have no test suite

dka: someone needs to own the test suite

dom: given the time constraints, waiting means the document won't get finished

dka: is there some way we can all join in to fill this void?
... what is the way forward, Dom?

dom: if people are implementing the guidelines they will need to do something like this, so how about checking with potential implementors to see if there is anything they can contribute

dka: so, Sean, is there anything you can share with the group

<EdC> A potential issue is that whatever transcoder vendors and operators are doing are probably validation modules within their existing (probably proprietary or in-house) testing harnesses.

dka: otherwise it will sit at CR for ever
... which would be a shame (summary)

seanp: I have enquired as to whether I could take charge of the test suite, but not very positive as I am very busy

dka: but if you can contribute some tests of some sort then that would be useful

seanp: don't think we have any tests that match up exactly
... we started work on it a while ago but have been waiting for other bits to stabilize
... not clear that there is much vendor pull to complete

<EdC> Test suites usually contain input data set (i.e. WWW pages and HTTP header), expected output specification (could be WWW pages with HTTP header fields), and a programmed mechanism to process input through a system under test and compare the outcome with expected results. I would expect the first element to be usable, possibly the second, but (except if it is really modular and made with open software) little from the third.

seanp: I will check on this and we want to see this at Rec so I will do my best

<scribe> ACTION: patterson to do his best to encourage his colleagues to allow some time to be spent on CT test suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/02-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1042 - Do his best to encourage his colleagues to allow some time to be spent on CT test suite [on Sean Patterson - due 2010-03-09].

dka: sorry to pick on you Sean

<dom> EdC, I think the most important things is to get 1 and 2 done; 3 is just the icing on the cake

Issues and Actions tidy up

dka: er, perhaps we should defer this to another time

jo: er, OK, how often do we want calls from now on?

dka: how about we have calls as planned on 9th and 16th - not on 23rd, AC meeting, then resume on 30th
... I wont be here on 16th

[call adjourned]