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<trackbot> Date: 01 March 2010
<scribe> Scribe: anthony
CL: I saw your email before the
... good work
... for the cases where the fonts are missing
CL: they should be in the old test suite
ED: In the cases I've seen the
conversion script probably ripped them out
... some of the tests have hard coded arial sections instead of using the SVG Font with fallback
CL: I think in most cases that's an error except for where it's Arial Font Family
ED: Where the SVG fonts are lost Anthony can you look at those to repair them
<scribe> ACTION: Anthony to look at missing fonts in 1.1 SE test suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/01-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2734 - Look at missing fonts in 1.1 SE test suite [on Anthony Grasso - due 2010-03-08].
ED: There are a number of empty
... not sure what the point of that is
CL: It was to do with the old
process of making tests
... originally a blank test was made as a place marker
... So deleting any empty ones should be fine
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to Delete all the empty tests in the 1.1 SE tests suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/01-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2735 - Delete all the empty tests in the 1.1 SE tests suite [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-03-08].
ED: We need italic and sans faces
for the fonts
... I never think we got around to getting those
CL: I think I have an action for
... I'll get around to doing that
ED: We have two colour
... they are both complete except they still had the draft water mark
CL: Ok, probably just remove the colour draft water mark
ED: Just a bunch of tests need image patches
CL: What don't when people do them they can email in response to that thread?
ED: I can put that on the wiki if
... my plan was to start from the bottom and work my way up the list
... hoping that someone can start at the top or the middle
and work downwards
CL: I select that many of them don't have the pass criteria specified in the right category?
CL: we should upgrade all the tests to have a defined pass criteria and description
ED: That makes most sense
... this test here is ready to go. Just made an image patch for it. I was hoping we could accept this one
CL: PNG is a grey
... presumably the PNG should be a green rectangle?
... Is the rectangle suppose to change colour?
ED: Both the text and the rectangle should change colour
CL: The pass criteria should say that
ED: So with that change can we approve the test?
ED: There are a few that looked
... which is kind of strange
ED: missing a view box or something
CL: I know we had different sizes
for Tiny, Basic and Full
... it says width=100% and height=100% and the viewBox is the standard one
... it's not that it's too small it just doesn't use the same area
... it's not dependent on font size. Just take out that closing <g> and the rest will be fixed
ED: We should have an explanation at the top about the reason for the Water Mark
<scribe> ACTION: Anthony to Add text at the top of the test harness explaining in the Draft Water Mark [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/01-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2736 - Add text at the top of the test harness explaining in the Draft Water Mark [on Anthony Grasso - due 2010-03-08].
CL: Resolution should say why
we've gone one way
... wording about why an implementation method was chosen should be added
... could quote the email you sent about what authoring tools did
ED: So it's only adding new wording
AG: Correct, so only new wording
ED: Looks fine to me
CL: Wording looks fine to me
AG: What about the diagrams are
... is the radial one too big?
ED: They look fine to me
... do you have an SVG version of the PNG?
CL: Would they make good tests?
ED: Would be nice to have a test in the test suite that checks these conditions
CL: Seems reasonably easy to
... and we have more than two implementations passing it
CL: we'd need to add it to the implementation report
<scribe> ACTION: Anthony to Create test cases that test the new wording added on gradients [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/01-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2737 - Create test cases that test the new wording added on gradients [on Anthony Grasso - due 2010-03-08].
DS: This is something that only
affects future specs
... because we don't plan on making the IDL inline do we?
... Just something to keep in mind
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: I think we
haven't clearly defined when the telcon times are on
... I think CSS people are a bit confused
... should probably send and agenda with time out
DS: So send something out for
... why don't we try this Thursday?
ED: Might be better to give people time to prepare
DS: We could have it on Monday?
CL: That would also be confusing
DS: We could send an email in
advance to let people know
... do we need a new tracker?
CL: Would make things easier
DS: I will try to get a tracker instance set up
ED: Should we try for next Monday then?
DS: Send an email to FX and bcc SVG and CSS and let them know the time
ED: Another question is where the spec would be checked in
DS: Well lets solve that next week
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to Write up an agenda and send email to the public FX group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/01-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2738 - Write up an agenda and send email to the public FX group [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-03-08].
ED: There was some discussion in
the style group about Image Fit and Image Position
... those properties are suppose to override the preserve aspect ratio
... if you include an SVG using an object element and you don't specify anything at all
... then you'd get a stretched image
ED: I think this would break backwards compatibility
CL: I think an email from the chair saying this will break backwards compatibility would be good
DS: Maybe this could be one of things we talk about next Monday
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to Respond with Working Groups thoughts on image position [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/01-svg-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2739 - Respond with Working Groups thoughts on image position [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-03-08].
ED: What we want is to be able to
use it for SVG as well right
... and not break backwards compatible
CL: We should also point out that would also break HTML implementations
ED: Was taking a look at some
code and came across this problem with patterns
... Not sure if SVG 11 was expecting lots of files to be referenced
... For a pattern in external file the coordinate system needs to be specified
CL: We want people to use
libraries of patterns
... the pattern designer doesn't know the coordinate system it's going to be used in
... if you were to take that rect from the first example and paste it in the second example with the #pattern
... the result should work the same if you migrate them to external file
ED: If you put a width and height
on the external SVG file
... you could argue that is not a view port
CL: I agree it is good authoring
advice to have a viewBox on the element
... but we need to define what happens if you don't
... and that needs to be sensible and reasonable
ED: It only came up because we were doing some bug fixing
CL: You should be able to produce
... and use that where ever you want
ED: I think in my opinion it
would be required to use absolute viewPort in the file
... problem is you can't access the percentages in the pattern
... which would be useful in some cases
CL: We don't have percents on defined, only 'OnUse'
DS: We could make patterns so they overlap in a certain way
CL: That's a new feature
ED: I think Dr Hoffmann was asking about this before too
DS: Rather than change patterns
in SVG 2.0
... we could do tiling
... so rather than deprecate them, recognise they are of limited use
CL: Might do the same thing for tiling and map tiling
DS: In mapping each tile is a
... but for a pattern you could have the tiles point to a limited number of resources and have them tiled
<shepazu> (discussion about SVG Tiling and Layering proposal from KDDI... hope they can rejoin)
<shepazu> Issue: allow more advance tiling and pattens in SVG 2.0
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-2310 - Allow more advance tiling and pattens in SVG 2.0 ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2310/edit .
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to Add note to CSS 2 referencing pointing to CSS 2.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/01-svg-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2740 - Add note to CSS 2 referencing pointing to CSS 2.1 [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-03-08].
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