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14:50:44 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
14:50:44 <trackbot> Date: 24 February 2011
14:57:44 <manu1> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Feb/0160.html
14:57:59 <manu1> Chair: Manu
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14:59:56 <Zakim> +??P13
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14:59:58 <manu1> zakim, I am ??P13
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15:00:06 <Zakim> +Benjamin
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15:00:36 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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15:00:36 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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15:00:37 <Zakim> +Ivan
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15:02:36 <Zakim> +??P17
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15:03:32 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here?
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15:03:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see manu1, Benjamin, Ivan, ??P17
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15:03:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see ShaneM, Steven, Zakim, RRSAgent, Benjamin, ivan, tinkster, manu1, webr3, manu, trackbot
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15:03:39 <ShaneM> zakim, ??P17 is ShaneM
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15:04:14 <manu1> zakim, who is on the call?
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15:04:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see manu1, Benjamin, Ivan, ShaneM
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15:04:29 <manu1> Present: Benjamin, Ivan, Manu, MarkB, Shane, Steven
15:04:29 <manu1> Regrets: Toby
15:05:31 <Steven> zakim, call steven-617
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15:05:31 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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15:05:33 <Zakim> +Steven
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15:05:56 <Benjamin> scribe: Benjamin
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15:06:15 <manu1> Topic: HTML WG ISSUE-120 Coordination
15:06:40 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/RDFaPrefixesNoChange
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/RDFaPrefixesNoChange ←
15:07:05 <Benjamin> manu: Ivan, Toby, and I have updated the proposal with all of our argumentation and it is ready for the vote in HTML WG during the first week of March 2011. There will most likely be a W3C vote on whether or not to remove prefixes and CURIEs from HTML+RDFa.
Manu Sporny: Ivan, Toby, and I have updated the proposal with all of our argumentation and it is ready for the vote in HTML WG during the first week of March 2011. There will most likely be a W3C vote on whether or not to remove prefixes and CURIEs from HTML+RDFa. ←
15:07:11 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, code? ←
15:07:11 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), markbirbeck
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15:07:28 <Benjamin> ... modulo minor fixes to the prose, we think we have done all that we can before the vote.
... modulo minor fixes to the prose, we think we have done all that we can before the vote. ←
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15:08:07 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
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15:09:34 <manu1> Topic: Preparation for 2nd Last Call
15:09:54 <Benjamin> manu: I believe that we have discussed all of the last call issues
Manu Sporny: I believe that we have discussed all of the last call issues ←
15:10:23 <Benjamin> ... does anybody know unadressed issues?
... does anybody know unadressed issues? ←
15:10:41 <ivan> (deep silence...)
Ivan Herman: (deep silence...) ←
15:10:51 <manu1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Feb/0044.html
Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Feb/0044.html ←
15:10:53 <Benjamin> ... nobody knows of any
... nobody knows of any ←
15:11:11 <ivan> s/knos/knows/
Ivan Herman: s/knos/knows/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
15:11:11 <Steven> Yep.
Steven Pemberton: Yep. ←
15:11:28 <Steven> I will send my mails tonight or tomorrow a.m.
Steven Pemberton: I will send my mails tonight or tomorrow a.m. ←
15:13:04 <Benjamin> manu: Shane can you give a status on your issues?
Manu Sporny: Shane can you give a status on your issues? ←
15:14:27 <Benjamin> shane: Issue 70 is still outstanding
Shane McCarron: ISSUE-70 is still outstanding ←
15:15:02 <Benjamin> Steven: Will send my responses to my issues later today or tonight.
Steven Pemberton: Will send my responses to my issues later today or tonight. ←
15:17:52 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
15:17:52 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
15:18:39 <ivan> shane, is there anything waiting on me for the document?
Ivan Herman: shane, is there anything waiting on me for the document? ←
15:18:46 <Benjamin> shane: Implemented changes on RDFa Core and XHTML+RDFa documents
Shane McCarron: Implemented changes on RDFa Core and XHTML+RDFa documents ←
15:19:45 <Benjamin> shane: You can point to a live version of a spec in last call responses
Shane McCarron: You can point to a live version of a spec in last call responses ←
15:20:43 <Benjamin> manu: we should ask previous reviewers to review the changed specs before we start the second last call
Manu Sporny: we should ask previous reviewers to review the changed specs before we start the second last call ←
15:21:40 <Benjamin> shane: I could make two versions of the specs, one for us to review by next week. The second draft will be shown to the community (and previous reviewers) - folks will review before we enter 2nd last call just to make sure there are no surprises.
Shane McCarron: I could make two versions of the specs, one for us to review by next week. The second draft will be shown to the community (and previous reviewers) - folks will review before we enter 2nd last call just to make sure there are no surprises. ←
15:21:59 <Benjamin> manu: anything else we need to be aware of before the 2nd last call?
Manu Sporny: anything else we need to be aware of before the 2nd last call? ←
15:22:07 <Benjamin> silence
silence ←
15:22:17 <manu1> Topic: RDF and RDFa API next steps
15:22:37 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:23:19 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:23:20 <manu1> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:23:29 <Benjamin> manu: Maybe we should invite other people that are familiar with web developements and RDF for working on the RDFa API, RDF API topics
Manu Sporny: Maybe we should invite other people that are familiar with web developements and RDF for working on the RDFa API, RDF API topics ←
15:24:16 <ShaneM> just to be clear - I will also turn up. I just might not add much value.
Shane McCarron: just to be clear - I will also turn up. I just might not add much value. ←
15:24:37 <Benjamin> shane will contribute less to the APIs
shane will contribute less to the APIs ←
15:25:07 <Benjamin> Steven: will contribute less to the APIs
Steven Pemberton: will contribute less to the APIs ←
15:25:45 <Benjamin> Benjamin: I am interested in contributing to the APIs
Benjamin Adrian: I am interested in contributing to the APIs ←
15:26:24 <Benjamin> markbirbeck: I am interested in contributing to the APIs We should also invite Python programmers to contribute.
Mark Birbeck: I am interested in contributing to the APIs We should also invite Python programmers to contribute. ←
15:26:55 <Benjamin> ivan: Our emphasis should be on web development, JavaScript people
Ivan Herman: Our emphasis should be on web development, JavaScript people ←
15:28:13 <Benjamin> manu: We should take into account RDF in JSON activities in RDF Working Group when working on the APIs - we want the RDF API, RDFa API and the RDF in JSON work to mesh well together. We must make sure that terminology between the specs matches up.
Manu Sporny: We should take into account RDF in JSON activities in RDF Working Group when working on the APIs - we want the RDF API, RDFa API and the RDF in JSON work to mesh well together. We must make sure that terminology between the specs matches up. ←
15:29:36 <Benjamin> ivan: I will try to invite Thomas Steiner to join us
Ivan Herman: I will try to invite Thomas Steiner to join us ←
15:32:06 <Benjamin> manu: We should try to contact other people, after the charter is accepted
Manu Sporny: We should try to contact other people, after the charter is accepted ←
15:33:20 <Benjamin> manu: anything else about high level issues on the RDFa API?
Manu Sporny: anything else about high level issues on the RDFa API? ←
15:33:25 <Benjamin> silence
silence ←
15:33:16 <manu1> Topic: RDFa API Review
15:33:46 <Benjamin> manu: Any missing features or bugs?
Manu Sporny: Any missing features or bugs? ←
15:34:10 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-api/
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-api/ ←
15:35:23 <Benjamin> manu: we have to discuss property groups and projections a bit more
Manu Sporny: we have to discuss property groups and projections a bit more ←
15:35:41 <Benjamin> manu: especially work on terminology
Manu Sporny: especially work on terminology ←
15:36:43 <Benjamin> markbirbeck: I took nearly all projection-related things from SPARQL
Mark Birbeck: I took nearly all projection-related things from SPARQL ←
15:37:02 <Benjamin> ivan: Should we refer to SPARQL instead of defining it ourself
Ivan Herman: Should we refer to SPARQL instead of defining it ourself ←
15:37:19 <Benjamin> mark: it is more conceptually related
Mark Birbeck: it is more conceptually related ←
15:38:52 <Benjamin> ivan: Mark, you defined a subset of sparql in the RDFa API, maybe we should use and refer to the terms of SPARQL then.
Ivan Herman: Mark, you defined a subset of sparql in the RDFa API, maybe we should use and refer to the terms of SPARQL then. ←
15:39:47 <Benjamin> ivan: this might minimize our own work
Ivan Herman: this might minimize our own work ←
15:41:25 <Benjamin> manu: we have to check details on projections if it is possible to map it to SPARQL specifications
Manu Sporny: we have to check details on projections if it is possible to map it to SPARQL specifications ←
15:42:18 <Benjamin> ivan: We should define our query patterns in a TURTLE like syntax -- that is close to SPARQL
Ivan Herman: We should define our query patterns in a TURTLE like syntax -- that is close to SPARQL ←
15:43:20 <Benjamin> manu: The use of SPARQL might confuse web developers
Manu Sporny: The use of SPARQL might confuse web developers ←
15:44:05 <Benjamin> ivan: we should focus on use the simple parts of SPARQL in our approach.
Ivan Herman: we should focus on use the simple parts of SPARQL in our approach. ←
15:44:44 <Benjamin> markbirbeck: My idea was to query with a JSON structure and syntax.
Mark Birbeck: My idea was to query with a JSON structure and syntax. ←
15:46:28 <Benjamin> ivan: We should not put complex SPARQL features such as optionals to our query approach
Ivan Herman: We should not put complex SPARQL features such as optionals to our query approach ←
15:46:28 <markbirbeck> "?s"
Mark Birbeck: "?s" ←
15:46:34 <markbirbeck> "Ivan"
Mark Birbeck: "Ivan" ←
15:46:42 <markbirbeck> add(a, b)
Mark Birbeck: add(a, b) ←
15:47:48 <Benjamin> ivan: we should not provide features such as UNION, OPTIONAL, SUBSELECT
Ivan Herman: we should not provide features such as UNION, OPTIONAL, SUBSELECT ←
15:48:47 <Benjamin> manu: We should further discuss on querying objects in the RDFa API
Manu Sporny: We should further discuss on querying objects in the RDFa API ←
15:49:59 <Benjamin> ivan: There is a similarity between TURTLE syntax and SPARQL patterns. Now there is an emerging JSON serialization of RDF, and our JSON related query features.
Ivan Herman: There is a similarity between TURTLE syntax and SPARQL patterns. Now there is an emerging JSON serialization of RDF, and our JSON related query features. ←
15:50:19 <Benjamin> ... both, TURTLE syntax and JSON syntax should be allowed
... both, TURTLE syntax and JSON syntax should be allowed ←
15:51:33 <Benjamin> TOPIC: RDF API Review
15:51:40 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdf-api/
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdf-api/ ←
15:52:20 <Benjamin> manu: The prose describing design criteria and lots of examples are missing
Manu Sporny: The prose describing design criteria and lots of examples are missing ←
15:53:15 <Benjamin> ... Nathan and I want a more generalized graph mechanism than RDF allows.
... Nathan and I want a more generalized graph mechanism than RDF allows. ←
15:54:01 <Benjamin> ... these graphs may not be serializable in RDF/XML - we have to coordinate with the RDF working group
... these graphs may not be serializable in RDF/XML - we have to coordinate with the RDF working group ←
15:55:06 <Benjamin> ivan: A generalized graph mechanism is out of scope for the RDF Working Group, as is using blank nodes in predicates, or literals as subjects.
Ivan Herman: A generalized graph mechanism is out of scope for the RDF Working Group, as is using blank nodes in predicates, or literals as subjects. ←
15:56:21 <Benjamin> ivan: However, a number of RDF environments already provide such generalized graph mechanisms.
Ivan Herman: However, a number of RDF environments already provide such generalized graph mechanisms. ←
15:59:17 <Benjamin> ivan: Often intermediate steps in these systems use versions of graphs that are also not serializable, e.g., for supporting reasoning. When serializing the graph, the generalized graph mechanism are ignored.
Ivan Herman: Often intermediate steps in these systems use versions of graphs that are also not serializable, e.g., for supporting reasoning. When serializing the graph, the generalized graph mechanism are ignored. ←
16:00:11 <Benjamin> ivan: It is not a problem to let serializers be silent on generalized graph mechanisms - so that may not be a big issue.
Ivan Herman: It is not a problem to let serializers be silent on generalized graph mechanisms - so that may not be a big issue. ←
16:00:37 <Benjamin> ivan: Graph literals are heaviliy discussed at the moment so we should skip them
Ivan Herman: Graph literals are heaviliy discussed at the moment so we should skip them ←
16:01:09 <Benjamin> q+
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16:01:35 <manu1> ack benjamin
Manu Sporny: ack benjamin ←
16:01:49 <manu1> Benjamin: We should also solve the issue of Term and Prefix maps
Benjamin Adrian: We should also solve the issue of Term and Prefix maps [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
16:02:54 <Benjamin> ivan: Why are these maps on the API level
Ivan Herman: Why are these maps on the API level ←
16:04:00 <Benjamin> manu: they make programming easier as they save code.
Manu Sporny: they make programming easier as they save code. ←
16:04:22 <manu1> q+ to end the telecon
Manu Sporny: q+ to end the telecon ←
16:04:41 <Benjamin> manu: JS developers want to use terms more than prefixes.
Manu Sporny: JS developers want to use terms more than prefixes. ←
16:05:04 <Steven> I sent my last call replies, by the way
Steven Pemberton: I sent my last call replies, by the way ←
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16:18:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', Benjamin
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16:18:59 <ivan> zakim, drop me
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16:18:59 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
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16:19:05 <Zakim> Attendees were manu1, Benjamin, Ivan, ShaneM, Steven, markbirbeck
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