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14:53:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332
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14:53:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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14:53:31 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
14:53:31 <trackbot> Date: 10 February 2011
14:54:14 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Feb/0061.html
14:54:18 <manu> Chair: Manu
14:54:39 <manu> Present: Ivan, Nathan, Steven, Manu, Shane, Knud
14:54:39 <manu> scribenick: webr3
(Scribe set to Nathan Rixham)
15:00:22 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
15:00:22 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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15:00:24 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started
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15:00:25 <Zakim> +Ivan
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15:00:30 <Zakim> +??P18
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15:00:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:00:48 <ShaneM> zakim, ??p18 is ShaneM
Shane McCarron: zakim, ??p18 is ShaneM ←
15:00:49 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
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15:01:26 <Zakim> +??P27
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15:01:32 <Zakim> +??P24
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15:01:36 <manu> zakim, I am ??P24
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15:01:36 <Zakim> +manu; got it
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15:01:46 <webr3> Zakim, I am ??P24
Zakim, I am ??P24 ←
15:01:48 <Zakim> sorry, webr3, I do not see a party named '??P24'
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15:01:49 <webr3> Zakim, I am ??P27
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15:01:50 <Zakim> +webr3; got it
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15:01:58 <webr3> zakim, mute me
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15:02:02 <Zakim> webr3 should now be muted
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15:02:20 <webr3> zakim, unmute me
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15:02:20 <Zakim> webr3 should no longer be muted
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15:02:51 <Zakim> + +3539149aaaa
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15:03:03 <Knud> zakim, I am aaaa
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15:03:03 <Zakim> +Knud; got it
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15:03:45 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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15:03:45 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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15:03:46 <Zakim> +Steven
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15:04:28 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:04:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, ShaneM, [IPcaller], webr3, manu, Knud, Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ivan, ShaneM, [IPcaller], webr3, manu, Knud, Steven ←
15:04:53 <manu> zakim, [IPcaller] is webr3
Manu Sporny: zakim, [IPcaller] is webr3 ←
15:04:53 <Zakim> +webr3; got it
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15:05:57 <webr3> Topic: ISSUE-73 and ISSUE-78: RDFa Default Profile
15:06:05 <webr3> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/73
http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/73 ←
15:06:11 <webr3> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/78
http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/78 ←
15:06:14 <manu> Proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Feb/0099.html
PROPOSED: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Feb/0099.html ←
15:07:28 <webr3> ivan: choice for URIs for profiles is important, dated or not
Ivan Herman: choice for URIs for profiles is important, dated or not ←
15:07:43 <webr3> ivan: I'll discuss with people in W3C about this
Ivan Herman: I'll discuss with people in W3C about this ←
15:07:51 <manu> ACTION: Manu to contact SemWeb Coordination Group to discuss default RDFa Profile URLs
ACTION: Manu to contact SemWeb Coordination Group to discuss default RDFa Profile URLs ←
15:07:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Contact SemWeb Coordination Group to discuss default RDFa Profile URLs [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-02-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-59 - Contact SemWeb Coordination Group to discuss default RDFa Profile URLs [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-02-17]. ←
15:07:55 <Steven> agenda+HCG
Steven Pemberton: agenda+HCG ←
15:08:25 <webr3> ... technical question: I read your mail as if we have a profile valid for RDFa Core, and a different one for HTML+RDFa etc, is that correct?
... technical question: I read your mail as if we have a profile valid for RDFa Core, and a different one for HTML+RDFa etc, is that correct? ←
15:08:54 <webr3> manu: I don't think we can have just one profile, for instance HTML will have custom terms
Manu Sporny: I don't think we can have just one profile, for instance HTML will have custom terms ←
15:09:17 <webr3> ivan: that creates some issues.. it means that any host language has the right to define a default profile
Ivan Herman: that creates some issues.. it means that any host language has the right to define a default profile ←
15:09:30 <webr3> ... are there any restrictions on host languages?
... are there any restrictions on host languages? ←
15:10:10 <webr3> ... or perhaps we say we have to default profiles, a core one for everyone, and some host languages can add a host specific one..
... or perhaps we say we have to default profiles, a core one for everyone, and some host languages can add a host specific one.. ←
15:11:20 <webr3> ... not only W3C can control host languages, other standardization bodies could do other RDFa host languages, sem web activity lead can't constrain what they do
... not only W3C can control host languages, other standardization bodies could do other RDFa host languages, sem web activity lead can't constrain what they do ←
15:11:51 <webr3> manu: host languages could override default profile..
Manu Sporny: host languages could override default profile.. ←
15:12:08 <webr3> ivan: yes they could do that anyway by redeclaring all terms in default core profile
Ivan Herman: yes they could do that anyway by redeclaring all terms in default core profile ←
15:12:41 <webr3> ivan: I am leaning that we have two, core profile for all RDFa, and a host-language specific one
Ivan Herman: I am leaning that we have two, core profile for all RDFa, and a host-language specific one ←
15:13:10 <manu> Nathan: Core profile for all of RDF? Or core profile for all of RDFa?
Nathan Rixham: Core profile for all of RDF? Or core profile for all of RDFa? [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:14:06 <webr3> ivan: we can't define for RDF, we are RDFa working group, RDF WG will need to decide that
Ivan Herman: we can't define for RDF, we are RDFa working group, RDF WG will need to decide that ←
15:14:20 <manu> Manu: Do we expect default profiles for RDF/XML or Turtle?
Manu Sporny: Do we expect default profiles for RDF/XML or Turtle? [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:14:34 <webr3> ivan: it may happen, it does not seem very likely for rdf/xml and turtle at least
Ivan Herman: it may happen, it does not seem very likely for rdf/xml and turtle at least ←
15:15:04 <manu> The profile for RDFa - http://www.w3.org/2011/profiles/rdfa
Manu Sporny: The profile for RDFa - http://www.w3.org/2011/profiles/rdfa ←
15:15:15 <manu> The profile for (X)HTML+RDFa - http://www.w3.org/2011/profiles/htmlrdfa
Manu Sporny: The profile for (X)HTML+RDFa - http://www.w3.org/2011/profiles/htmlrdfa ←
15:15:25 <webr3> Manu: we would be defining two profiles, RDFa default, profile for (X)HTML+RDFa
Manu Sporny: we would be defining two profiles, RDFa default, profile for (X)HTML+RDFa ←
15:16:46 <webr3> Ivan: Next Point, still related, we had a standing issue, if we do that, how do I know that I am managing XHTML+RDFa? (to get profile)
Ivan Herman: Next Point, still related, we had a standing issue, if we do that, how do I know that I am managing XHTML+RDFa? (to get profile) ←
15:17:02 <webr3> Manu: I was thinking we could trigger off (some element, <html> etc)
Manu Sporny: I was thinking we could trigger off (some element, <html> etc) ←
15:17:37 <webr3> Ivan: first question is, is this something we need in the document?
Ivan Herman: first question is, is this something we need in the document? ←
15:18:08 <ShaneM> q+ to discuss announcement
Shane McCarron: q+ to discuss announcement ←
15:18:10 <webr3> Manu: yes..
Manu Sporny: yes.. ←
15:18:16 <manu> ack shanem
Manu Sporny: ack shanem ←
15:18:16 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to discuss announcement
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to discuss announcement ←
15:18:27 <webr3> Ivan: i don't like this sniffing to much..
Ivan Herman: i don't like this sniffing to much.. ←
15:18:56 <webr3> Shane: I thought we debated and agreed 3/4 weeks ago that the only thing we'd put in the document was that we detect on media type
Shane McCarron: I thought we debated and agreed 3/4 weeks ago that the only thing we'd put in the document was that we detect on media type ←
15:20:07 <webr3> Manu: anybody disagree with triggering of media type to get the correct profile?
Manu Sporny: anybody disagree with triggering of media type to get the correct profile? ←
15:20:48 <Steven> q+
Steven Pemberton: q+ ←
15:20:58 <manu> Manu: So we trigger off of "application/xhtml+xml" or "text/html" or "application/xml" (or whatever the proper mime-types are)
Manu Sporny: So we trigger off of "application/xhtml+xml" or "text/html" or "application/xml" (or whatever the proper mime-types are) [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:21:05 <manu> ack steven
Manu Sporny: ack steven ←
15:21:17 <webr3> general agreement heard (nobody disagrees)
general agreement heard (nobody disagrees) ←
15:21:59 <webr3> Ivan: I am uneasy with the text: "Prefixes and terms MAY be /updated/ if the new meaning of the term or prefix is semantically backwards compatible with the previous term or prefix."
Ivan Herman: I am uneasy with the text: "Prefixes and terms MAY be /updated/ if the new meaning of the term or prefix is semantically backwards compatible with the previous term or prefix." ←
15:22:36 <webr3> Manu: example for this is dublin core, dc11 vs dcterms - dc tried to make sure terms were "supported" in new vocab
Manu Sporny: example for this is dublin core, dc11 vs dcterms - dc tried to make sure terms were "supported" in new vocab ←
15:22:51 <webr3> .. you could change vocab uri and have same meaning
.. you could change vocab uri and have same meaning ←
15:23:09 <webr3> ivan: no that's wrong, the two are very different, from rdf point of view
Ivan Herman: no that's wrong, the two are very different, from rdf point of view ←
15:23:53 <webr3> manu: i said semantically because the meaning hasn't changed domain + range setting still means property means "title"
Manu Sporny: i said semantically because the meaning hasn't changed domain + range setting still means property means "title" ←
15:24:06 <webr3> manu: how are they not the same?
Manu Sporny: how are they not the same? ←
15:24:29 <webr3> ivan: because RDF and other tooling sees things differently, takign in to account these new statements
Ivan Herman: because RDF and other tooling sees things differently, takign in to account these new statements ←
15:24:42 <webr3> ivan: as a rule we should say, prefixes and terms should nto be changed
Ivan Herman: as a rule we should say, prefixes and terms should nto be changed ←
15:25:07 <Steven> Why commit ourselves one way or the other?
Steven Pemberton: Why commit ourselves one way or the other? ←
15:25:33 <webr3> shane: I don't know if I agree w/ ivan, let's consider og: (opengraph for a while...) [considers]
Shane McCarron: I don't know if I agree w/ ivan, let's consider og: (opengraph for a while...) [considers] ←
15:25:35 <manu> Only because we're trying to give guidance to vocabulary authors, Steven.
Manu Sporny: Only because we're trying to give guidance to vocabulary authors, Steven. ←
15:26:08 <webr3> ... og may change data at their uri, updating it - if that's correct why isn't the other?
... og may change data at their uri, updating it - if that's correct why isn't the other? ←
15:26:30 <webr3> ivan: that's correct, this is a problem at sem web level and RDFa should not even attempt to solve
Ivan Herman: that's correct, this is a problem at sem web level and RDFa should not even attempt to solve ←
15:26:32 <manu> Steven, I don't think we're trying to commit ourselves - just give guidance? (but we may be accidentally committing ourselves)
Manu Sporny: Steven, I don't think we're trying to commit ourselves - just give guidance? (but we may be accidentally committing ourselves) ←
15:27:12 <webr3> ... what manu proposes is that the triples will be different (differen uris)
... what manu proposes is that the triples will be different (differen uris) ←
15:27:27 <webr3> q+ to agre w/ ivan
q+ to agre w/ ivan ←
15:28:00 <manu> ack webr3
Manu Sporny: ack webr3 ←
15:28:00 <Zakim> webr3, you wanted to agre w/ ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: webr3, you wanted to agre w/ ivan ←
15:28:30 <manu> q+ to discuss dating
Manu Sporny: q+ to discuss dating ←
15:28:40 <manu> q-
Manu Sporny: q- ←
15:28:56 <webr3> nathan: also people hard code against URIs, we can't have them changing
Nathan Rixham: also people hard code against URIs, we can't have them changing ←
15:28:59 <ivan> 6. Vocabulary maintainers SHOULD include an 'Expires' header in the HTTP response when a profile is dereferenced via HTTP. RDFa processors MAY use this header to implement local caching of the profiles.
Ivan Herman: 6. Vocabulary maintainers SHOULD include an 'Expires' header in the HTTP response when a profile is dereferenced via HTTP. RDFa processors MAY use this header to implement local caching of the profiles. ←
15:29:36 <manu> Nathan: We should also probably put "Last-Modified", etc.
Nathan Rixham: We should also probably put "Last-Modified", etc. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:30:12 <manu> Nathan: "E-tag" if possible, "Cache-Control"...
Nathan Rixham: "E-tag" if possible, "Cache-Control"... [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:30:37 <manu> Ivan: Concerned that that's going to be difficult to implement - too complicated.
Ivan Herman: Concerned that that's going to be difficult to implement - too complicated. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:30:47 <manu> Nathan: The server should generate everything correctly.
Nathan Rixham: The server should generate everything correctly. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:31:08 <webr3> Manu: probably want to write or point to some good guidance on caching
Manu Sporny: probably want to write or point to some good guidance on caching ←
15:31:40 <webr3> Ivan: yes everything is set automatically, but Expires needs set specifically normally
Ivan Herman: yes everything is set automatically, but Expires needs set specifically normally ←
15:31:54 <webr3> Ivan: last thing is dated vs non dated uris for profiles
Ivan Herman: last thing is dated vs non dated uris for profiles ←
15:32:28 <manu> q+ to discuss URI dating
Manu Sporny: q+ to discuss URI dating ←
15:32:32 <ShaneM> q+ to disagree with ivan's URI propsoal
Shane McCarron: q+ to disagree with ivan's URI propsoal ←
15:32:39 <webr3> ... I want to suggest we have non dated URI and provide dated too so people can reference explicitly
... I want to suggest we have non dated URI and provide dated too so people can reference explicitly ←
15:33:03 <manu> ack manu
Manu Sporny: ack manu ←
15:33:03 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to discuss URI dating
Zakim IRC Bot: manu, you wanted to discuss URI dating ←
15:33:35 <webr3> Manu: I'm fine with versioned URI, issue i have with unversioned is that we could never remove prefixes or terms from it
Manu Sporny: I'm fine with versioned URI, issue i have with unversioned is that we could never remove prefixes or terms from it ←
15:34:01 <manu> Nathan: We also have to keep /terms/ in mind.
Nathan Rixham: We also have to keep /terms/ in mind. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:34:13 <manu> ack shanem
Manu Sporny: ack shanem ←
15:34:15 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to disagree with ivan's URI propsoal
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to disagree with ivan's URI propsoal ←
15:34:44 <webr3> Shane: I agree w/ you manu - we debated this the other day, it was a light discussion
Shane McCarron: I agree w/ you manu - we debated this the other day, it was a light discussion ←
15:35:14 <webr3> ... if we have a /tr/ space URI then it means we can never remove a prefix
... if we have a /tr/ space URI then it means we can never remove a prefix ←
15:35:33 <webr3> ivan: but that's what caching is for
Ivan Herman: but that's what caching is for ←
15:35:42 <manu> What happens when somebody does this in 2011: profile="http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa"
Manu Sporny: What happens when somebody does this in 2011: profile="http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa" ←
15:35:47 <webr3> shane: but as soon as I update to the latest profile, every document stops working
Shane McCarron: but as soon as I update to the latest profile, every document stops working ←
15:36:24 <manu> http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa
Manu Sporny: http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa ←
15:36:37 <webr3> ivan: but the proposal of manu is to say that we will have a new dated profile where it's lost anyway
Ivan Herman: but the proposal of manu is to say that we will have a new dated profile where it's lost anyway ←
15:38:13 <webr3> (scribe misses what manu says, he seems to be going against the idea of unversioned uris)
(scribe misses what manu says, he seems to be going against the idea of unversioned uris) ←
15:38:59 <webr3> ivan: we removed any way to tell what version of RDFa is being used
Ivan Herman: we removed any way to tell what version of RDFa is being used ←
15:39:00 <manu> Manu: I think that we need to either have a versioned or dated URI
Manu Sporny: I think that we need to either have a versioned or dated URI [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:39:30 <webr3> ivan: maybe we need to have version in there again (?)
Ivan Herman: maybe we need to have version in there again (?) ←
15:40:01 <webr3> manu: we tell people not to use profiles if they want interop, if they do want to use a profile they should mention which profile specifically
Manu Sporny: we tell people not to use profiles if they want interop, if they do want to use a profile they should mention which profile specifically ←
15:40:31 <webr3> ... and our fallback is, if they haven't done any of it, we'll use the latest default profile to try and get some triples out
... and our fallback is, if they haven't done any of it, we'll use the latest default profile to try and get some triples out ←
15:40:59 <webr3> ... so we have levels of protection
... so we have levels of protection ←
15:41:06 <webr3> ivan: okay, i see what you mean...
Ivan Herman: okay, i see what you mean... ←
15:41:39 <webr3> ivan: I think it's fine then, let's just not use "2011" in the uri
Ivan Herman: I think it's fine then, let's just not use "2011" in the uri ←
15:41:55 <manu> What about http://w3.org/profiles/rdfa11 and http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa11 ?
Manu Sporny: What about http://w3.org/profiles/rdfa11 and http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa11 ? ←
15:41:57 <webr3> manu: k, mmm, k
Manu Sporny: k, mmm, k ←
15:42:03 <manu> What about http://w3.org/profiles/rdfa1.1 and http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa1.1 ?
Manu Sporny: What about http://w3.org/profiles/rdfa1.1 and http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa1.1 ? ←
15:42:11 <manu> What about http://w3.org/profiles/rdfa1 and http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa1 ?
Manu Sporny: What about http://w3.org/profiles/rdfa1 and http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa1 ? ←
15:42:16 <webr3> nathan: remembers Ivan is goign to speak to w3c for guidance on this
Nathan Rixham: remembers Ivan is goign to speak to w3c for guidance on this ←
15:43:03 <webr3> manu: any other concerns?
Manu Sporny: any other concerns? ←
15:43:55 <manu> Nathan: I think it's about as good and close as we can get - I don't like default profiles, but I don't think others agree with that viewpoint, so this is as good as we get.
Nathan Rixham: I think it's about as good and close as we can get - I don't like default profiles, but I don't think others agree with that viewpoint, so this is as good as we get. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:44:24 <ivan> ISSUE-73?
15:44:24 <trackbot> ISSUE-73 -- The RDFa WG needs to determine how each RDFa Profile document is managed -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-73 -- The RDFa WG needs to determine how each RDFa Profile document is managed -- open ←
15:44:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/73
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/73 ←
15:44:36 <webr3> manu: ivan you had 73? can you type up a response LC one?
Manu Sporny: ivan you had 73? can you type up a response LC one? ←
15:45:00 <webr3> ivan: it was raised by manu sporny, do we need to reply to him?
Ivan Herman: it was raised by manu sporny, do we need to reply to him? ←
15:45:00 <webr3> manu: I don't know, that guys sounds like a real jerk. :P
Manu Sporny: I don't know, that guys sounds like a real jerk. :P ←
15:45:27 <ivan> issue-78?
15:45:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-78 -- Should we have default prefixes and terms for host languages -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-78 -- Should we have default prefixes and terms for host languages -- open ←
15:45:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/78
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/78 ←
15:46:58 <webr3> [general conversation about who LC replies to 78]
[general conversation about who LC replies to 78] ←
15:47:18 <manu> ACTION: Manu to write up RDFa Profile Management on RDFa Wiki
ACTION: Manu to write up RDFa Profile Management on RDFa Wiki ←
15:47:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Write up RDFa Profile Management on RDFa Wiki [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-02-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-60 - Write up RDFa Profile Management on RDFa Wiki [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-02-17]. ←
15:47:30 <webr3> manu: I'll put a draft response on wiki, Ivan will clean up and respond properly
Manu Sporny: I'll put a draft response on wiki, Ivan will clean up and respond properly ←
15:48:03 <webr3> manu: I'll do the response to 73
Manu Sporny: I'll do the response to 73 ←
15:48:06 <manu> ACTION: Manu to send official response to Last Call ISSUE-73
ACTION: Manu to send official response to Last Call ISSUE-73 ←
15:48:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Respond to ISSUE-73 [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-02-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-61 - Respond to ISSUE-73 [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-02-17]. ←
15:48:30 <webr3> Ivan: next step will be at some point, what will be the initial content in these profiles?
Ivan Herman: next step will be at some point, what will be the initial content in these profiles? ←
15:48:57 <webr3> manu: later, lets do it later please
Manu Sporny: later, lets do it later please ←
15:49:29 <webr3> shane: it's a last call issue to define these as part of the docs going out
Shane McCarron: it's a last call issue to define these as part of the docs going out ←
15:50:20 <webr3> ... we can't do it once it goes out, contents of default profile is tied to the spec, we need to get consensus, lc-wise, to it
... we can't do it once it goes out, contents of default profile is tied to the spec, we need to get consensus, lc-wise, to it ←
15:50:31 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:50:39 <webr3> manu: that effectively says we shouldn't change the default profile after it goes to rec..
Manu Sporny: that effectively says we shouldn't change the default profile after it goes to rec.. ←
15:50:57 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:51:05 <webr3> ... we could just define the minimum possible..
... we could just define the minimum possible.. ←
15:51:33 <webr3> ivan: i think we could do the following.. there is a core set of terms and prefixes we just need, we have to pop them in and collect them
Ivan Herman: i think we could do the following.. there is a core set of terms and prefixes we just need, we have to pop them in and collect them ←
15:51:48 <webr3> ... what we should set up is the mechanism whereby the resolution will happen
... what we should set up is the mechanism whereby the resolution will happen ←
15:54:00 <webr3> ivan: let's only put in w3c well knows first, rdf: for example
Ivan Herman: let's only put in w3c well knows first, rdf: for example ←
15:54:20 <webr3> ... then open up mechanism after rec to add new things
... then open up mechanism after rec to add new things ←
15:55:11 <webr3> q+ to ask if any other spec references a "moving part"
q+ to ask if any other spec references a "moving part" ←
15:55:22 <manu> ack webr3
Manu Sporny: ack webr3 ←
15:55:22 <Zakim> webr3, you wanted to ask if any other spec references a "moving part"
Zakim IRC Bot: webr3, you wanted to ask if any other spec references a "moving part" ←
15:56:09 <webr3> nathan: does any other rec have this moving part to it?
Nathan Rixham: does any other rec have this moving part to it? ←
15:56:27 <webr3> ivan/steven: yes, plenty xml related to
ivan/steven: yes, plenty xml related to ←
15:56:52 <webr3> manu: okay so we don't think this will hurt our LC
Manu Sporny: okay so we don't think this will hurt our LC ←
15:58:04 <webr3> ... we need terms and prefixes to add
... we need terms and prefixes to add ←
15:58:06 <manu> ACTION: Nathan to put together list of prefixes and terms for default profiles
ACTION: Nathan to put together list of prefixes and terms for default profiles ←
15:58:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Put together list of prefixes and terms for default profiles [on Nathan Rixham - due 2011-02-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-62 - Put together list of prefixes and terms for default profiles [on Nathan Rixham - due 2011-02-17]. ←
15:58:12 <webr3> nathan: I'll do that
Nathan Rixham: I'll do that ←
15:58:20 <webr3> manu: top of the hour
Manu Sporny: top of the hour ←
15:59:31 <webr3> ivan: how about edits?
Ivan Herman: how about edits? ←
15:59:41 <webr3> shane: how should i do them, edit or propose edits?
Shane McCarron: how should i do them, edit or propose edits? ←
15:59:54 <webr3> manu: let's not get stuck bike shedding this - Shane's done a great job w/ the spec so far, let him make the changes and we'll give him editorial direction after that.
Manu Sporny: let's not get stuck bike shedding this - Shane's done a great job w/ the spec so far, let him make the changes and we'll give him editorial direction after that. ←
16:00:20 <webr3> ... my preference is just to edit the spec
... my preference is just to edit the spec ←
16:00:30 <webr3> shane: that's fine w/ me, that's my preference too
Shane McCarron: that's fine w/ me, that's my preference too ←
16:00:38 <webr3> [general agreement]
[general agreement] ←
16:00:43 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
16:00:44 <Zakim> -Knud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Knud ←
16:00:44 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
16:00:45 <Zakim> -manu
Zakim IRC Bot: -manu ←
16:00:49 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
16:00:52 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
16:00:54 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
16:00:59 <Zakim> -webr3
Zakim IRC Bot: -webr3 ←
16:01:08 <webr3> meeting ended
meeting ended ←
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