RDFa Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 10 February 2011

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Feb/0061.html
Present
Ivan Herman, Nathan Rixham, Steven Pemberton, Manu Sporny, Shane McCarron, Knud Möller
Chair
Manu Sporny
Scribe
Nathan Rixham
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

Topics
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14:53:31 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
14:53:31 <trackbot> Date: 10 February 2011
14:54:14 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Feb/0061.html
14:54:18 <manu> Chair: Manu
14:54:39 <manu> Present: Ivan, Nathan, Steven, Manu, Shane, Knud
14:54:39 <manu> scribenick: webr3

(Scribe set to Nathan Rixham)

15:00:22 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

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Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

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15:00:24 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started

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15:00:25 <Zakim> +Ivan

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15:00:30 <Zakim> +??P18

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15:00:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:00:48 <ShaneM> zakim, ??p18 is ShaneM

Shane McCarron: zakim, ??p18 is ShaneM

15:00:49 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it

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15:01:26 <Zakim> +??P27

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15:01:32 <Zakim> +??P24

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15:01:36 <manu> zakim, I am ??P24

Manu Sporny: zakim, I am ??P24

15:01:36 <Zakim> +manu; got it

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15:01:46 <webr3> Zakim, I am ??P24

Zakim, I am ??P24

15:01:48 <Zakim> sorry, webr3, I do not see a party named '??P24'

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15:01:49 <webr3> Zakim, I am ??P27

Zakim, I am ??P27

15:01:50 <Zakim> +webr3; got it

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15:01:58 <webr3> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me

15:02:02 <Zakim> webr3 should now be muted

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15:02:20 <webr3> zakim, unmute me

zakim, unmute me

15:02:20 <Zakim> webr3 should no longer be muted

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15:02:51 <Zakim> + +3539149aaaa

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15:03:03 <Knud> zakim, I am aaaa

Knud Möller: zakim, I am aaaa

15:03:03 <Zakim> +Knud; got it

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15:03:45 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617

15:03:45 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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15:03:46 <Zakim> +Steven

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15:04:28 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?

Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call?

15:04:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, ShaneM, [IPcaller], webr3, manu, Knud, Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ivan, ShaneM, [IPcaller], webr3, manu, Knud, Steven

15:04:53 <manu> zakim, [IPcaller] is webr3

Manu Sporny: zakim, [IPcaller] is webr3

15:04:53 <Zakim> +webr3; got it

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15:05:57 <webr3> Topic: ISSUE-73 and ISSUE-78: RDFa Default Profile

1. ISSUE-73 and ISSUE-78: RDFa Default Profile

15:06:05 <webr3> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/73

http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/73

15:06:11 <webr3> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/78

http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/78

15:06:14 <manu> Proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Feb/0099.html

PROPOSED: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Feb/0099.html

15:07:28 <webr3> ivan: choice for URIs for profiles is important, dated or not

Ivan Herman: choice for URIs for profiles is important, dated or not

15:07:43 <webr3> ivan: I'll discuss with people in W3C about this

Ivan Herman: I'll discuss with people in W3C about this

15:07:51 <manu> ACTION: Manu to contact SemWeb Coordination Group to discuss default RDFa Profile URLs

ACTION: Manu to contact SemWeb Coordination Group to discuss default RDFa Profile URLs

15:07:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Contact SemWeb Coordination Group to discuss default RDFa Profile URLs [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-02-17].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-59 - Contact SemWeb Coordination Group to discuss default RDFa Profile URLs [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-02-17].

15:07:55 <Steven> agenda+HCG

Steven Pemberton: agenda+HCG

15:08:25 <webr3> ... technical question: I read your mail as if we have a profile valid for RDFa Core, and a different one for HTML+RDFa etc, is that correct?

... technical question: I read your mail as if we have a profile valid for RDFa Core, and a different one for HTML+RDFa etc, is that correct?

15:08:54 <webr3> manu: I don't think we can have just one profile, for instance HTML will have custom terms

Manu Sporny: I don't think we can have just one profile, for instance HTML will have custom terms

15:09:17 <webr3> ivan: that creates some issues.. it means that any host language has the right to define a default profile

Ivan Herman: that creates some issues.. it means that any host language has the right to define a default profile

15:09:30 <webr3> ... are there any restrictions on host languages?

... are there any restrictions on host languages?

15:10:10 <webr3> ... or perhaps we say we have to default profiles, a core one for everyone, and some host languages can add a host specific one..

... or perhaps we say we have to default profiles, a core one for everyone, and some host languages can add a host specific one..

15:11:20 <webr3> ... not only W3C can control host languages, other standardization bodies could do other RDFa host languages, sem web activity lead can't constrain what they do

... not only W3C can control host languages, other standardization bodies could do other RDFa host languages, sem web activity lead can't constrain what they do

15:11:51 <webr3> manu: host languages could override default profile..

Manu Sporny: host languages could override default profile..

15:12:08 <webr3> ivan: yes they could do that anyway by redeclaring all terms in default core profile

Ivan Herman: yes they could do that anyway by redeclaring all terms in default core profile

15:12:41 <webr3> ivan: I am leaning that we have two, core profile for all RDFa, and a host-language specific one

Ivan Herman: I am leaning that we have two, core profile for all RDFa, and a host-language specific one

15:13:10 <manu> Nathan: Core profile for all of RDF? Or core profile for all of RDFa?

Nathan Rixham: Core profile for all of RDF? Or core profile for all of RDFa? [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:14:06 <webr3> ivan: we can't define for RDF, we are RDFa working group, RDF WG will need to decide that

Ivan Herman: we can't define for RDF, we are RDFa working group, RDF WG will need to decide that

15:14:20 <manu> Manu: Do we expect default profiles for RDF/XML or Turtle?

Manu Sporny: Do we expect default profiles for RDF/XML or Turtle? [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:14:34 <webr3> ivan: it may happen, it does not seem very likely for rdf/xml and turtle at least

Ivan Herman: it may happen, it does not seem very likely for rdf/xml and turtle at least

15:15:04 <manu> The profile for RDFa - http://www.w3.org/2011/profiles/rdfa

Manu Sporny: The profile for RDFa - http://www.w3.org/2011/profiles/rdfa

15:15:15 <manu> The profile for (X)HTML+RDFa - http://www.w3.org/2011/profiles/htmlrdfa

Manu Sporny: The profile for (X)HTML+RDFa - http://www.w3.org/2011/profiles/htmlrdfa

15:15:25 <webr3> Manu: we would be defining two profiles, RDFa default, profile for (X)HTML+RDFa

Manu Sporny: we would be defining two profiles, RDFa default, profile for (X)HTML+RDFa

15:16:46 <webr3> Ivan: Next Point, still related, we had a standing issue, if we do that, how do I know that I am managing XHTML+RDFa? (to get profile)

Ivan Herman: Next Point, still related, we had a standing issue, if we do that, how do I know that I am managing XHTML+RDFa? (to get profile)

15:17:02 <webr3> Manu: I was thinking we could trigger off (some element, <html> etc)

Manu Sporny: I was thinking we could trigger off (some element, <html> etc)

15:17:37 <webr3> Ivan: first question is, is this something we need in the document?

Ivan Herman: first question is, is this something we need in the document?

15:18:08 <ShaneM>  q+ to discuss announcement

Shane McCarron: q+ to discuss announcement

15:18:10 <webr3> Manu: yes..

Manu Sporny: yes..

15:18:16 <manu> ack shanem

Manu Sporny: ack shanem

15:18:16 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to discuss announcement

Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to discuss announcement

15:18:27 <webr3> Ivan: i don't like this sniffing to much..

Ivan Herman: i don't like this sniffing to much..

15:18:56 <webr3> Shane: I thought we debated and agreed 3/4 weeks ago that the only thing we'd put in the document was that we detect on media type

Shane McCarron: I thought we debated and agreed 3/4 weeks ago that the only thing we'd put in the document was that we detect on media type

15:20:07 <webr3> Manu: anybody disagree with triggering of media type to get the correct profile?

Manu Sporny: anybody disagree with triggering of media type to get the correct profile?

15:20:48 <Steven> q+

Steven Pemberton: q+

15:20:58 <manu> Manu: So we trigger off of "application/xhtml+xml" or "text/html" or "application/xml" (or whatever the proper mime-types are)

Manu Sporny: So we trigger off of "application/xhtml+xml" or "text/html" or "application/xml" (or whatever the proper mime-types are) [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:21:05 <manu> ack steven

Manu Sporny: ack steven

15:21:17 <webr3> general agreement heard (nobody disagrees)

general agreement heard (nobody disagrees)

15:21:59 <webr3> Ivan: I am uneasy with the text: "Prefixes and terms MAY be /updated/ if the new meaning of the term or prefix is semantically backwards compatible with the previous term or prefix."

Ivan Herman: I am uneasy with the text: "Prefixes and terms MAY be /updated/ if the new meaning of the term or prefix is semantically backwards compatible with the previous term or prefix."

15:22:36 <webr3> Manu: example for this is dublin core, dc11 vs dcterms - dc tried to make sure terms were "supported" in new vocab

Manu Sporny: example for this is dublin core, dc11 vs dcterms - dc tried to make sure terms were "supported" in new vocab

15:22:51 <webr3> .. you could change vocab uri and have same meaning

.. you could change vocab uri and have same meaning

15:23:09 <webr3> ivan: no that's wrong, the two are very different, from rdf point of view

Ivan Herman: no that's wrong, the two are very different, from rdf point of view

15:23:53 <webr3> manu: i said semantically because the meaning hasn't changed domain + range setting still means property means "title"

Manu Sporny: i said semantically because the meaning hasn't changed domain + range setting still means property means "title"

15:24:06 <webr3> manu: how are they not the same?

Manu Sporny: how are they not the same?

15:24:29 <webr3> ivan: because RDF and other tooling sees things differently, takign in to account these new statements

Ivan Herman: because RDF and other tooling sees things differently, takign in to account these new statements

15:24:42 <webr3> ivan: as a rule we should say, prefixes and terms should nto be changed

Ivan Herman: as a rule we should say, prefixes and terms should nto be changed

15:25:07 <Steven> Why commit ourselves one way or the other?

Steven Pemberton: Why commit ourselves one way or the other?

15:25:33 <webr3> shane: I don't know if I agree w/ ivan, let's consider og: (opengraph for a while...) [considers]

Shane McCarron: I don't know if I agree w/ ivan, let's consider og: (opengraph for a while...) [considers]

15:25:35 <manu> Only because we're trying to give guidance to vocabulary authors, Steven.

Manu Sporny: Only because we're trying to give guidance to vocabulary authors, Steven.

15:26:08 <webr3> ... og may change data at their uri, updating it - if that's correct why isn't the other?

... og may change data at their uri, updating it - if that's correct why isn't the other?

15:26:30 <webr3> ivan: that's correct, this is a problem at sem web level and RDFa should not even attempt to solve

Ivan Herman: that's correct, this is a problem at sem web level and RDFa should not even attempt to solve

15:26:32 <manu> Steven, I don't think we're trying to commit ourselves - just give guidance? (but we may be accidentally committing ourselves)

Manu Sporny: Steven, I don't think we're trying to commit ourselves - just give guidance? (but we may be accidentally committing ourselves)

15:27:12 <webr3> ... what manu proposes is that the triples will be different (differen uris)

... what manu proposes is that the triples will be different (differen uris)

15:27:27 <webr3> q+ to agre w/ ivan

q+ to agre w/ ivan

15:28:00 <manu> ack webr3

Manu Sporny: ack webr3

15:28:00 <Zakim> webr3, you wanted to agre w/ ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: webr3, you wanted to agre w/ ivan

15:28:30 <manu> q+ to discuss dating

Manu Sporny: q+ to discuss dating

15:28:40 <manu> q-

Manu Sporny: q-

15:28:56 <webr3> nathan: also people hard code against URIs, we can't have them changing

Nathan Rixham: also people hard code against URIs, we can't have them changing

15:28:59 <ivan> 6. Vocabulary maintainers SHOULD include an 'Expires' header in the HTTP response when a profile is dereferenced via HTTP. RDFa processors MAY use this header to implement local caching of the profiles.

Ivan Herman: 6. Vocabulary maintainers SHOULD include an 'Expires' header in the HTTP response when a profile is dereferenced via HTTP. RDFa processors MAY use this header to implement local caching of the profiles.

15:29:36 <manu> Nathan: We should also probably put "Last-Modified", etc.

Nathan Rixham: We should also probably put "Last-Modified", etc. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:30:12 <manu> Nathan: "E-tag" if possible, "Cache-Control"...

Nathan Rixham: "E-tag" if possible, "Cache-Control"... [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:30:37 <manu> Ivan: Concerned that that's going to be difficult to implement - too complicated.

Ivan Herman: Concerned that that's going to be difficult to implement - too complicated. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:30:47 <manu> Nathan: The server should generate everything correctly.

Nathan Rixham: The server should generate everything correctly. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:31:08 <webr3> Manu: probably want to write or point to some good guidance on caching

Manu Sporny: probably want to write or point to some good guidance on caching

15:31:40 <webr3> Ivan: yes everything is set automatically, but Expires needs set specifically normally

Ivan Herman: yes everything is set automatically, but Expires needs set specifically normally

15:31:54 <webr3> Ivan: last thing is dated vs non dated uris for profiles

Ivan Herman: last thing is dated vs non dated uris for profiles

15:32:28 <manu> q+ to discuss URI dating

Manu Sporny: q+ to discuss URI dating

15:32:32 <ShaneM> q+ to disagree with ivan's URI propsoal

Shane McCarron: q+ to disagree with ivan's URI propsoal

15:32:39 <webr3> ... I want to suggest we have non dated URI and provide dated too so people can reference explicitly

... I want to suggest we have non dated URI and provide dated too so people can reference explicitly

15:33:03 <manu> ack manu

Manu Sporny: ack manu

15:33:03 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to discuss URI dating

Zakim IRC Bot: manu, you wanted to discuss URI dating

15:33:35 <webr3> Manu: I'm fine with versioned URI, issue i have with unversioned is that we could never remove prefixes or terms from it

Manu Sporny: I'm fine with versioned URI, issue i have with unversioned is that we could never remove prefixes or terms from it

15:34:01 <manu> Nathan: We also have to keep /terms/ in mind.

Nathan Rixham: We also have to keep /terms/ in mind. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:34:13 <manu> ack shanem

Manu Sporny: ack shanem

15:34:15 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to disagree with ivan's URI propsoal

Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to disagree with ivan's URI propsoal

15:34:44 <webr3> Shane: I agree w/ you manu - we debated this the other day, it was a light discussion

Shane McCarron: I agree w/ you manu - we debated this the other day, it was a light discussion

15:35:14 <webr3> ... if we have a /tr/ space URI then it means we can never remove a prefix

... if we have a /tr/ space URI then it means we can never remove a prefix

15:35:33 <webr3> ivan: but that's what caching is for

Ivan Herman: but that's what caching is for

15:35:42 <manu> What happens when somebody does this in 2011: profile="http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa"

Manu Sporny: What happens when somebody does this in 2011: profile="http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa"

15:35:47 <webr3> shane: but as soon as I update to the latest profile, every document stops working

Shane McCarron: but as soon as I update to the latest profile, every document stops working

15:36:24 <manu> http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa

Manu Sporny: http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa

15:36:37 <webr3> ivan: but the proposal of manu is to say that we will have a new dated profile where it's lost anyway

Ivan Herman: but the proposal of manu is to say that we will have a new dated profile where it's lost anyway

15:38:13 <webr3> (scribe misses what manu says, he seems to be going against the idea of unversioned uris)

(scribe misses what manu says, he seems to be going against the idea of unversioned uris)

15:38:59 <webr3> ivan: we removed any way to tell what version of RDFa is being used

Ivan Herman: we removed any way to tell what version of RDFa is being used

15:39:00 <manu> Manu: I think that we need to either have a versioned or dated URI

Manu Sporny: I think that we need to either have a versioned or dated URI [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:39:30 <webr3> ivan: maybe we need to have version in there again (?)

Ivan Herman: maybe we need to have version in there again (?)

15:40:01 <webr3> manu: we tell people not to use profiles if they want interop, if they do want to use a profile they should mention which profile specifically

Manu Sporny: we tell people not to use profiles if they want interop, if they do want to use a profile they should mention which profile specifically

15:40:31 <webr3> ... and our fallback is, if they haven't done any of it, we'll use the latest default profile to try and get some triples out

... and our fallback is, if they haven't done any of it, we'll use the latest default profile to try and get some triples out

15:40:59 <webr3> ... so we have levels of protection

... so we have levels of protection

15:41:06 <webr3> ivan: okay, i see what you mean...

Ivan Herman: okay, i see what you mean...

15:41:39 <webr3> ivan: I think it's fine then, let's just not use "2011" in the uri

Ivan Herman: I think it's fine then, let's just not use "2011" in the uri

15:41:55 <manu> What about http://w3.org/profiles/rdfa11 and http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa11 ?

Manu Sporny: What about http://w3.org/profiles/rdfa11 and http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa11 ?

15:41:57 <webr3> manu: k, mmm, k

Manu Sporny: k, mmm, k

15:42:03 <manu> What about http://w3.org/profiles/rdfa1.1 and http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa1.1 ?

Manu Sporny: What about http://w3.org/profiles/rdfa1.1 and http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa1.1 ?

15:42:11 <manu> What about http://w3.org/profiles/rdfa1 and http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa1 ?

Manu Sporny: What about http://w3.org/profiles/rdfa1 and http://w3.org/profiles/htmlrdfa1 ?

15:42:16 <webr3> nathan: remembers Ivan is goign to speak to w3c for guidance on this

Nathan Rixham: remembers Ivan is goign to speak to w3c for guidance on this

15:43:03 <webr3> manu: any other concerns?

Manu Sporny: any other concerns?

15:43:55 <manu> Nathan: I think it's about as good and close as we can get - I don't like default profiles, but I don't think others agree with that viewpoint, so this is as good as we get.

Nathan Rixham: I think it's about as good and close as we can get - I don't like default profiles, but I don't think others agree with that viewpoint, so this is as good as we get. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:44:24 <ivan> ISSUE-73?

Ivan Herman: ISSUE-73?

15:44:24 <trackbot> ISSUE-73 -- The RDFa WG needs to determine how each RDFa Profile document is managed -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-73 -- The RDFa WG needs to determine how each RDFa Profile document is managed -- open

15:44:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/73

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/73

15:44:36 <webr3> manu: ivan you had 73? can you type up a response LC one?

Manu Sporny: ivan you had 73? can you type up a response LC one?

15:45:00 <webr3> ivan: it was raised by manu sporny, do we need to reply to him?

Ivan Herman: it was raised by manu sporny, do we need to reply to him?

15:45:00 <webr3> manu: I don't know, that guys sounds like a real jerk. :P

Manu Sporny: I don't know, that guys sounds like a real jerk. :P

15:45:27 <ivan> issue-78?

Ivan Herman: ISSUE-78?

15:45:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-78 -- Should we have default prefixes and terms for host languages -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-78 -- Should we have default prefixes and terms for host languages -- open

15:45:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/78

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/78

15:46:58 <webr3> [general conversation about who LC replies to 78]

[general conversation about who LC replies to 78]

15:47:18 <manu> ACTION: Manu to write up RDFa Profile Management on RDFa Wiki

ACTION: Manu to write up RDFa Profile Management on RDFa Wiki

15:47:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Write up RDFa Profile Management on RDFa Wiki [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-02-17].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-60 - Write up RDFa Profile Management on RDFa Wiki [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-02-17].

15:47:30 <webr3> manu: I'll put a draft response on wiki, Ivan will clean up and respond properly

Manu Sporny: I'll put a draft response on wiki, Ivan will clean up and respond properly

15:48:03 <webr3> manu: I'll do the response to 73

Manu Sporny: I'll do the response to 73

15:48:06 <manu> ACTION: Manu to send official response to Last Call ISSUE-73

ACTION: Manu to send official response to Last Call ISSUE-73

15:48:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Respond to ISSUE-73 [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-02-17].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-61 - Respond to ISSUE-73 [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-02-17].

15:48:30 <webr3> Ivan: next step will be at some point, what will be the initial content in these profiles?

Ivan Herman: next step will be at some point, what will be the initial content in these profiles?

15:48:57 <webr3> manu: later, lets do it later please

Manu Sporny: later, lets do it later please

15:49:29 <webr3> shane: it's a last call issue to define these as part of the docs going out

Shane McCarron: it's a last call issue to define these as part of the docs going out

15:50:20 <webr3> ... we can't do it once it goes out, contents of default profile is tied to the spec, we need to get consensus, lc-wise, to it

... we can't do it once it goes out, contents of default profile is tied to the spec, we need to get consensus, lc-wise, to it

15:50:31 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:50:39 <webr3> manu: that effectively says we shouldn't change the default profile after it goes to rec..

Manu Sporny: that effectively says we shouldn't change the default profile after it goes to rec..

15:50:57 <manu> ack ivan

Manu Sporny: ack ivan

15:51:05 <webr3> ... we could just define the minimum possible..

... we could just define the minimum possible..

15:51:33 <webr3> ivan: i think we could do the following.. there is a core set of terms and prefixes we just need, we have to pop them in and collect them

Ivan Herman: i think we could do the following.. there is a core set of terms and prefixes we just need, we have to pop them in and collect them

15:51:48 <webr3> ... what we should set up is the mechanism whereby the resolution will happen

... what we should set up is the mechanism whereby the resolution will happen

15:54:00 <webr3> ivan: let's only put in w3c well knows first, rdf: for example

Ivan Herman: let's only put in w3c well knows first, rdf: for example

15:54:20 <webr3> ... then open up mechanism after rec to add new things

... then open up mechanism after rec to add new things

15:55:11 <webr3> q+ to ask if any other spec references a "moving part"

q+ to ask if any other spec references a "moving part"

15:55:22 <manu> ack webr3

Manu Sporny: ack webr3

15:55:22 <Zakim> webr3, you wanted to ask if any other spec references a "moving part"

Zakim IRC Bot: webr3, you wanted to ask if any other spec references a "moving part"

15:56:09 <webr3> nathan: does any other rec have this moving part to it?

Nathan Rixham: does any other rec have this moving part to it?

15:56:27 <webr3> ivan/steven: yes, plenty xml related to

ivan/steven: yes, plenty xml related to

15:56:52 <webr3> manu: okay so we don't think this will hurt our LC

Manu Sporny: okay so we don't think this will hurt our LC

15:58:04 <webr3> ... we need terms and prefixes to add

... we need terms and prefixes to add

15:58:06 <manu> ACTION: Nathan to put together list of prefixes and terms for default profiles

ACTION: Nathan to put together list of prefixes and terms for default profiles

15:58:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Put together list of prefixes and terms for default profiles [on Nathan Rixham - due 2011-02-17].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-62 - Put together list of prefixes and terms for default profiles [on Nathan Rixham - due 2011-02-17].

15:58:12 <webr3> nathan: I'll do that

Nathan Rixham: I'll do that

15:58:20 <webr3> manu: top of the hour

Manu Sporny: top of the hour

15:59:31 <webr3> ivan: how about edits?

Ivan Herman: how about edits?

15:59:41 <webr3> shane: how should i do them, edit or propose edits?

Shane McCarron: how should i do them, edit or propose edits?

15:59:54 <webr3> manu: let's not get stuck bike shedding this - Shane's done a great job w/ the spec so far, let him make the changes and we'll give him editorial direction after that.

Manu Sporny: let's not get stuck bike shedding this - Shane's done a great job w/ the spec so far, let him make the changes and we'll give him editorial direction after that.

16:00:20 <webr3> ... my preference is just to edit the spec

... my preference is just to edit the spec

16:00:30 <webr3> shane: that's fine w/ me, that's my preference too

Shane McCarron: that's fine w/ me, that's my preference too

16:00:38 <webr3> [general agreement]

[general agreement]

16:00:43 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM

16:00:44 <Zakim> -Knud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Knud

16:00:44 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven

16:00:45 <Zakim> -manu

Zakim IRC Bot: -manu

16:00:49 <ivan> zakim, drop me

Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me

16:00:52 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected

16:00:54 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

16:00:59 <Zakim> -webr3

Zakim IRC Bot: -webr3

16:01:08 <webr3> meeting ended

meeting ended



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