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14:26:34 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/04-rdfa-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/04-rdfa-irc ←
14:26:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
14:26:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 7332 ←
14:26:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 34 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 34 minutes ←
14:26:39 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
14:26:39 <trackbot> Date: 04 March 2010
14:26:47 <ivan> Chair: manu
14:28:06 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: RDFa WG Telco, agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Mar/0007.html
Ivan Herman: ivan has changed the topic to: RDFa WG Telco, agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Mar/0007.html ←
14:57:05 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started
(No events recorded for 28 minutes)
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started ←
14:57:12 <Zakim> +Knud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Knud ←
14:58:49 <Zakim> + +0785583aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0785583aaaa ←
14:59:03 <tinkster> zakim, aaaa is me#
Toby Inkster: zakim, aaaa is me# ←
14:59:03 <Zakim> +me#; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +me#; got it ←
14:59:13 <tinkster> zakim, aaaa is me
Toby Inkster: zakim, aaaa is me ←
14:59:13 <Zakim> sorry, tinkster, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tinkster, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' ←
14:59:24 <tinkster> zakim, i am aaaa
Toby Inkster: zakim, i am aaaa ←
14:59:24 <Zakim> sorry, tinkster, I do not see a party named 'aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tinkster, I do not see a party named 'aaaa' ←
14:59:46 <Zakim> +RobW
Zakim IRC Bot: +RobW ←
14:59:50 <manu> zakim, ?aaaa is tinkster
Manu Sporny: zakim, ?aaaa is tinkster ←
14:59:50 <Zakim> sorry, manu, I do not recognize a party named '?aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, manu, I do not recognize a party named '?aaaa' ←
14:59:51 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:59:51 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
14:59:51 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
15:00:06 <Zakim> +Benjamin
Zakim IRC Bot: +Benjamin ←
15:00:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:00:41 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:00:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Knud, RobW, Ivan, Benjamin, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Knud, RobW, Ivan, Benjamin, [IPcaller] ←
15:00:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see RobW, mgylling, Knud, manu, ShaneM, Benjamin, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, ivan, tinkster, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RobW, mgylling, Knud, manu, ShaneM, Benjamin, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, ivan, tinkster, trackbot ←
15:00:50 <Zakim> +me#
Zakim IRC Bot: +me# ←
15:01:11 <tinkster> zakim, i am +me#
Toby Inkster: zakim, i am +me# ←
15:01:12 <Zakim> sorry, tinkster, I do not see a party named '+me#'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tinkster, I do not see a party named '+me#' ←
15:01:23 <Zakim> +mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling ←
15:01:23 <ivan> zakim, me# is tinkster
Ivan Herman: zakim, me# is tinkster ←
15:01:25 <Zakim> +tinkster; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tinkster; got it ←
15:01:32 <tinkster> zakim, zakim, mute me
Toby Inkster: zakim, zakim, mute me ←
15:01:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'zakim, mute me', tinkster
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'zakim, mute me', tinkster ←
15:01:35 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:01:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Knud, RobW, Ivan, Benjamin, [IPcaller], tinkster, mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Knud, RobW, Ivan, Benjamin, [IPcaller], tinkster, mgylling ←
15:01:47 <manu> zakim, I am [IP
Manu Sporny: zakim, I am [IP ←
15:01:47 <Zakim> ok, manu, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, manu, I now associate you with [IPcaller] ←
15:01:52 <tinkster> zakim, mute me
Toby Inkster: zakim, mute me ←
15:01:52 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should now be muted ←
15:01:59 <tinkster> zakim, unmute me
Toby Inkster: zakim, unmute me ←
15:01:59 <Zakim> tinkster should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should no longer be muted ←
15:02:28 <manu> zakim, who is making noise?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:02:38 <Zakim> manu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Knud (56%), tinkster (10%), [IPcaller] (14%)
Zakim IRC Bot: manu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Knud (56%), tinkster (10%), [IPcaller] (14%) ←
15:02:41 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
15:02:43 <tinkster> zakim, mute me
Toby Inkster: zakim, mute me ←
15:02:43 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should now be muted ←
15:02:45 <Knud> zakim, mute me
Knud Möller: zakim, mute me ←
15:02:45 <Zakim> Knud should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Knud should now be muted ←
15:02:57 <manu> zakim, mute ShaneM
Manu Sporny: zakim, mute ShaneM ←
15:02:57 <Zakim> ShaneM should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM should now be muted ←
15:03:01 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
15:03:24 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
15:03:24 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
15:03:25 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
15:03:27 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
15:03:34 <Steven> zakim, mute me
Steven Pemberton: zakim, mute me ←
15:03:34 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Steven should now be muted ←
15:04:12 <ShaneM> Scribe: ShaneM
(Scribe set to Shane McCarron)
15:04:21 <manu> Agenda for today: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Mar/0007.html
Manu Sporny: Agenda for today: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Mar/0007.html ←
15:04:25 <ShaneM> TOPIC: Action Items
15:04:39 <manu> trackbot, Action-3?
Manu Sporny: trackbot, ACTION-3? ←
15:04:39 <trackbot> Sorry, manu, I don't understand 'trackbot, Action-3?'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, manu, I don't understand 'trackbot, ACTION-3?'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help ←
15:04:44 <manu> trackbot, ACTION-3?
Manu Sporny: trackbot, ACTION-3? ←
15:04:44 <trackbot> Sorry, manu, I don't understand 'trackbot, ACTION-3?'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, manu, I don't understand 'trackbot, ACTION-3?'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help ←
15:04:49 <manu> ACTION-3?
15:04:49 <trackbot> ACTION-3 -- Manu Sporny to get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142 -- due 2010-03-11 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-3 -- Manu Sporny to get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142 -- due 2010-03-11 -- OPEN ←
15:04:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/3
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/3 ←
15:05:04 <manu> ACTION-10?
15:05:04 <trackbot> ACTION-10 -- Manu Sporny to get Toby to fill out Invited Expert form. -- due 2010-03-04 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-10 -- Manu Sporny to get Toby to fill out Invited Expert form. -- due 2010-03-04 -- OPEN ←
15:05:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/10
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/10 ←
15:05:12 <manu> trackbot, close ACTION-10
Manu Sporny: trackbot, close ACTION-10 ←
15:05:13 <trackbot> ACTION-10 Get Toby to fill out Invited Expert form. closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-10 Get Toby to fill out Invited Expert form. closed ←
15:05:28 <tinkster> thanks
Toby Inkster: thanks ←
15:05:28 <manu> trackbot, comment ACTION-10 Toby is now an Invited Expert to RDFa WG
Manu Sporny: trackbot, comment ACTION-10 Toby is now an Invited Expert to RDFa WG ←
15:05:28 <trackbot> ACTION-10 Get Toby to fill out Invited Expert form. notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-10 Get Toby to fill out Invited Expert form. notes added ←
15:05:44 <manu> ACTION-11?
15:05:44 <trackbot> ACTION-11 -- Shane McCarron to suggest short names for each working group deliverable -- due 2010-03-01 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-11 -- Shane McCarron to suggest short names for each working group deliverable -- due 2010-03-01 -- OPEN ←
15:05:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/11
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/11 ←
15:06:19 <tinkster> http://www.w3.org/mid/4B882B19.6030104@aptest.com
Toby Inkster: http://www.w3.org/mid/4B882B19.6030104@aptest.com ←
15:06:32 <manu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Feb/0095.html
Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Feb/0095.html ←
15:07:00 <tinkster> W3C list emails contain an "Archived-At" header in the message headers.
Toby Inkster: W3C list emails contain an "Archived-At" header in the message headers. ←
15:07:26 <ShaneM> ivan: agrees with the suggested shortnames. some issue with how data should be organized.
Ivan Herman: agrees with the suggested shortnames. some issue with how data should be organized. ←
15:07:27 <manu> trackbot, close ACTION-11
Manu Sporny: trackbot, close ACTION-11 ←
15:07:27 <trackbot> ACTION-11 Suggest short names for each working group deliverable closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-11 Suggest short names for each working group deliverable closed ←
15:08:25 <ShaneM> TOPIC: ISSUE-4: Referenced version of XML Namespaces Document
15:08:27 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/4
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/4 ←
15:08:58 <manu> scribenick: manu
(Scribe set to Manu Sporny)
15:09:30 <manu> ShaneM: The XHTML+RDFa family spec has settled on XML1.0 4th edition, which is not the current publication
Shane McCarron: The XHTML+RDFa family spec has settled on XML1.0 4th edition, which is not the current publication ←
15:09:39 <manu> ShaneM: 5th edition is the latest version.
Shane McCarron: 5th edition is the latest version. ←
15:09:41 <tinkster> What about other current/potential host languages (e.g. SVG)?
Toby Inkster: What about other current/potential host languages (e.g. SVG)? ←
15:09:50 <Steven> nmchar
Steven Pemberton: nmchar ←
15:10:06 <manu> ShaneM: This is already fixed, it was a typo in the spec, it's addressed in the errata and is fixed in the draft.
Shane McCarron: This is already fixed, it was a typo in the spec, it's addressed in the errata and is fixed in the draft. ←
15:11:31 <manu> trackbot, close ISSUE-4
15:11:31 <trackbot> ISSUE-4 Determine the proper XML namespaces document to refer to in the RDFa specification closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-4 Determine the proper XML namespaces document to refer to in the RDFa specification closed ←
15:12:00 <tinkster> SVG 1.2 Tiny uses XML 1.0 4th Ed; Namespaces 1.1 2nd Ed.
Toby Inkster: SVG 1.2 Tiny uses XML 1.0 4th Ed; Namespaces 1.1 2nd Ed. ←
15:13:27 <manu> Topic: ISSUE-1: RDFa Vocabularies
15:15:17 <ShaneM> scribenick: ShaneM
(Scribe set to Shane McCarron)
15:13:07 <tinkster> I have a third proposal - similar to Manu's http://www.w3.org/mid/1263324223.22239.49.camel@ophelia2.g5n.co.uk
Toby Inkster: I have a third proposal - similar to Manu's http://www.w3.org/mid/1263324223.22239.49.camel@ophelia2.g5n.co.uk ←
15:13:32 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/1
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/1 ←
15:13:57 <manu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Mar/0016.html
Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Mar/0016.html ←
15:14:24 <tinkster> q+
Toby Inkster: q+ ←
15:14:31 <tinkster> zakim, unmute me
Toby Inkster: zakim, unmute me ←
15:14:31 <Zakim> tinkster should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should no longer be muted ←
15:14:35 <manu> ack tinkster
Manu Sporny: ack tinkster ←
15:14:38 <trackbot> Sorry, Steven, I don't understand 'trackbot, comment issue-4 The references section in the XHTML+RDFa errata and the RDFa Core 1.1 document have been updated'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, Steven, I don't understand 'trackbot, comment ISSUE-4 The references section in the XHTML+RDFa errata and the RDFa Core 1.1 document have been updated'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help ←
15:14:51 <tinkster> http://www.w3.org/mid/1263324223.22239.49.camel@ophelia2.g5n.co.uk
Toby Inkster: http://www.w3.org/mid/1263324223.22239.49.camel@ophelia2.g5n.co.uk ←
15:15:17 <ShaneM> tinkster: similar, but generates fallback triples if the vocabulary document can't be dereferenced
Toby Inkster: similar, but generates fallback triples if the vocabulary document can't be dereferenced ←
15:15:31 <ShaneM> manu: are you asking that we consider this proposal as well?
Manu Sporny: are you asking that we consider this proposal as well? ←
15:16:10 <ShaneM> tinkster: It is really just refinements to Manu's proposal - it would be transparent to end users. It allows the definition of a default prefix in a document.
Toby Inkster: It is really just refinements to Manu's proposal - it would be transparent to end users. It allows the definition of a default prefix in a document. ←
15:16:36 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:16:46 <tinkster> zakim, mute me
Toby Inkster: zakim, mute me ←
15:16:46 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should now be muted ←
15:16:47 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:17:41 <ShaneM> ivan: tinkster's proposal is really incremental to EITHER of the basic proposals.
Ivan Herman: tinkster's proposal is really incremental to EITHER of the basic proposals. ←
15:19:04 <manu> q+ to review the high-level differences between both proposals.
Manu Sporny: q+ to review the high-level differences between both proposals. ←
15:19:19 <manu> zakim, I am [IP
Manu Sporny: zakim, I am [IP ←
15:19:19 <Zakim> ok, manu, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, manu, I now associate you with [IPcaller] ←
15:19:47 <ShaneM> ivan: describing the two basic proposals. mark's proposal has multiple formats. Not a fan of the implementation burden of supporting JSON and RDFa as basic formats.
Ivan Herman: describing the two basic proposals. mark's proposal has multiple formats. Not a fan of the implementation burden of supporting JSON and RDFa as basic formats. ←
15:19:51 <manu> ack manu
Manu Sporny: ack manu ←
15:20:32 <ShaneM> manu: prefers aspects of Mark's proposal.
Manu Sporny: prefers aspects of Mark's proposal. ←
15:22:58 <ShaneM> Essential differences are that Mark's proposal permits declaration of prefixes and keywords.
Essential differences are that Mark's proposal permits declaration of prefixes and keywords. ←
15:24:10 <ShaneM> ... concept that there is a default vocabulary is a new concept, but one that lots of people seem to like.
... concept that there is a default vocabulary is a new concept, but one that lots of people seem to like. ←
15:25:07 <ShaneM> ... profiles proposal allows for recursive inclusion. Vocabulary proposal does not.
... profiles proposal allows for recursive inclusion. Vocabulary proposal does not. ←
15:25:35 <ShaneM> ... vocab proposal defines a new attribute @vocab. profile proposal relies up @profile being in host languages
... vocab proposal defines a new attribute @vocab. profile proposal relies up @profile being in host languages ←
15:26:33 <ShaneM> ... @profile is not currently a part of HTML5. If HTML5 adopts @profile everywhere, then we could rely upon that. If it does not, we would need to use a different name.
... @profile is not currently a part of HTML5. If HTML5 adopts @profile everywhere, then we could rely upon that. If it does not, we would need to use a different name. ←
15:28:38 <ShaneM> ... Other items that should be in: Default RDFa Vocabulary / Profile. Mark has indicate that the default should ONLY be used if a page does not specify a profile. If there is a profile specification, then it should be used instead of any default profile.
... Other items that should be in: Default RDFa Vocabulary / Profile. Mark has indicate that the default should ONLY be used if a page does not specify a profile. If there is a profile specification, then it should be used instead of any default profile. ←
15:28:38 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:28:48 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:28:54 <manu> ack [IP
Manu Sporny: ack [IP ←
15:28:54 <Zakim> [IPcaller], you wanted to review the high-level differences between both proposals.
Zakim IRC Bot: [IPcaller], you wanted to review the high-level differences between both proposals. ←
15:30:01 <ShaneM> ivan: Would prefer to postpone the discussion of the default profile. If we have a mechanism for specifying a vocabulary, then we can think about how to deal with default profile.
Ivan Herman: Would prefer to postpone the discussion of the default profile. If we have a mechanism for specifying a vocabulary, then we can think about how to deal with default profile. ←
15:30:41 <ShaneM> ... it would be trivial to add the definition of 'prefixes' to the vocab proposal.
... it would be trivial to add the definition of 'prefixes' to the vocab proposal. ←
15:31:24 <ShaneM> ... it is much more interesting for me to have a default definition for 'foaf:' is more important than defining the individual keywords that make up FOAF.
... it is much more interesting for me to have a default definition for 'foaf:' is more important than defining the individual keywords that make up FOAF. ←
15:33:28 <ShaneM> manu: yes, it is possible to extend the vocabulary proposal to support prefix declarations.
Manu Sporny: yes, it is possible to extend the vocabulary proposal to support prefix declarations. ←
15:34:18 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:34:33 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
15:34:35 <ShaneM> ... has reservations about using xmlns: to declare prefix mappings.
... has reservations about using xmlns: to declare prefix mappings. ←
15:35:23 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:35:25 <Steven> I disagree with that interpretation
Steven Pemberton: I disagree with that interpretation ←
15:35:28 <ShaneM> manu: We should stop overloading xmlns: - declaring tokens with it is an abuse of xmlns.
Manu Sporny: We should stop overloading xmlns: - declaring tokens with it is an abuse of xmlns. ←
15:36:03 <Steven> that bit I agree with
Steven Pemberton: that bit I agree with ←
15:36:04 <ShaneM> ivan: agree that this is a hack. Also, xmlns defines prefixes for the file that is being processed. Having those declarations leak into another document is inconsistent.
Ivan Herman: agree that this is a hack. Also, xmlns defines prefixes for the file that is being processed. Having those declarations leak into another document is inconsistent. ←
15:36:55 <ShaneM> ... if I have a vocabulary document and I want to document the document itself, then I might want to use RDFa to do that documentation and bring in other vocabularies. Those vocabularies should not leak into the document that is USING the vocabulary.
... if I have a vocabulary document and I want to document the document itself, then I might want to use RDFa to do that documentation and bring in other vocabularies. Those vocabularies should not leak into the document that is USING the vocabulary. ←
15:37:05 <Steven> ack me
Steven Pemberton: ack me ←
15:37:09 <ShaneM> q+ to talk about how xmlns is used
q+ to talk about how xmlns is used ←
15:37:57 <ShaneM> Steven: disagrees that an xmlns declaration introduces a namespace. All xmlns does is declare a prefix mapping and then to scope elements and attributes later.
Steven Pemberton: disagrees that an xmlns declaration introduces a namespace. All xmlns does is declare a prefix mapping and then to scope elements and attributes later. ←
15:38:10 <manu> Here's what I have reservations about doing: xmlns:Person="http://..../#Person"
Manu Sporny: Here's what I have reservations about doing: xmlns:Person="http://..../#Person" ←
15:38:24 <tinkster> It's a neat hack, but it's still a hack.
Toby Inkster: It's a neat hack, but it's still a hack. ←
15:38:25 <manu> I don't agree with doing that.
Manu Sporny: I don't agree with doing that. ←
15:39:01 <ShaneM> Steven: Whatever we do needs to be easy for authors. They shouldn't be required to understand mystical aspects of namespaces.
Steven Pemberton: Whatever we do needs to be easy for authors. They shouldn't be required to understand mystical aspects of namespaces. ←
15:39:14 <ShaneM> No one seems to support overloading xmlns in this way.
No one seems to support overloading xmlns in this way. ←
15:39:37 <manu> ack ShaneM
Manu Sporny: ack ShaneM ←
15:39:37 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to talk about how xmlns is used
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to talk about how xmlns is used ←
15:40:17 <tinkster> +1
Toby Inkster: +1 ←
15:41:25 <ShaneM> manu: Just to clarify: we don't want to overload xmlns to declare tokens and prefixes in vocabulary documents. Additionally, we WANT to use RDFa to declare terms and prefix mappings in the vocabulary documents.
Manu Sporny: Just to clarify: we don't want to overload xmlns to declare tokens and prefixes in vocabulary documents. Additionally, we WANT to use RDFa to declare terms and prefix mappings in the vocabulary documents. ←
15:41:39 <ShaneM> ivan: Well, isn't that the next topic? We were going to discuss JSON
Ivan Herman: Well, isn't that the next topic? We were going to discuss JSON ←
15:41:55 <ShaneM> q+ to address the JSON issue
q+ to address the JSON issue ←
15:42:21 <manu> ack ShaneM
Manu Sporny: ack ShaneM ←
15:42:21 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to address the JSON issue
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to address the JSON issue ←
15:42:22 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:42:23 <ShaneM> manu: the one really positive thing that JSON does is it COULD allow us to not rely upon CORS support in browsers in order to make it work.
Manu Sporny: the one really positive thing that JSON does is it COULD allow us to not rely upon CORS support in browsers in order to make it work. ←
15:42:29 <tinkster> no json does not allow workaround for cors - jsonp does.
Toby Inkster: no json does not allow workaround for cors - jsonp does. ←
15:42:41 <manu> Toby is right.
Manu Sporny: Toby is right. ←
15:43:24 <tinkster> jsonp is a dialect of javascript so theoretically introduces security issues
Toby Inkster: jsonp is a dialect of javascript so theoretically introduces security issues ←
15:43:55 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
15:44:09 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:44:33 <ShaneM> ShaneM: no reason to preclude having a JSON version of the vocab come out via content negotiation. Basic format should be RDFa.
Shane McCarron: no reason to preclude having a JSON version of the vocab come out via content negotiation. Basic format should be RDFa. ←
15:44:46 <ShaneM> manu: There is a possibility of fragmentation then. And that's bad.
Manu Sporny: There is a possibility of fragmentation then. And that's bad. ←
15:44:55 <ShaneM> ShaneM: I know... And I don't really care.
Shane McCarron: I know... And I don't really care. ←
15:45:47 <manu> zakim, unmute toby
Manu Sporny: zakim, unmute toby ←
15:45:47 <Zakim> sorry, manu, I do not know which phone connection belongs to toby
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, manu, I do not know which phone connection belongs to toby ←
15:45:47 <ShaneM> ivan: my concern is implementations. there is a cost associated with supporting multiple formats. Also, what is the security concern?
Ivan Herman: my concern is implementations. there is a cost associated with supporting multiple formats. Also, what is the security concern? ←
15:45:50 <tinkster> sorry can't speak right now
Toby Inkster: sorry can't speak right now ←
15:46:15 <tinkster> can post to list later.
Toby Inkster: can post to list later. ←
15:46:39 <manu> ok, thanks Toby.
Manu Sporny: ok, thanks Toby. ←
15:47:48 <manu> q+ to discuss CORS.
Manu Sporny: q+ to discuss CORS. ←
15:47:53 <Benjamin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON#JSONP
Benjamin Adrian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON#JSONP ←
15:48:00 <manu> ack [IPCa
Manu Sporny: ack [IPCa ←
15:48:00 <Zakim> [IPcaller], you wanted to discuss CORS.
Zakim IRC Bot: [IPcaller], you wanted to discuss CORS. ←
15:48:24 <ShaneM> ShaneM: The issue is that if you are bringing in a javascript resource from OVER THERE and OVER THERE gets compromised, then badness could ensue
Shane McCarron: The issue is that if you are bringing in a javascript resource from OVER THERE and OVER THERE gets compromised, then badness could ensue ←
15:48:55 <tinkster> Got to go, but please give me an action to post a writeup of JS/JSON/JSONP/CORS to list.
Toby Inkster: Got to go, but please give me an action to post a writeup of JS/JSON/JSONP/CORS to list. ←
15:48:58 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:49:07 <Zakim> -tinkster
Zakim IRC Bot: -tinkster ←
15:49:22 <ShaneM> manu: There is also the cost of maintaining the JSONp file and keeping it in sync. The alternative is that you enable CORS support. Supporting CORS is potentially easier than maintaining multiple documents.
Manu Sporny: There is also the cost of maintaining the JSONp file and keeping it in sync. The alternative is that you enable CORS support. Supporting CORS is potentially easier than maintaining multiple documents. ←
15:49:27 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:49:36 <Steven> trackbot, status
Steven Pemberton: trackbot, status ←
15:50:25 <ShaneM> ivan: My understanding is that the implementor can choose which format to provide.
Ivan Herman: My understanding is that the implementor can choose which format to provide. ←
15:50:29 <manu> q+ to discuss RDFa /OR/ JSON
Manu Sporny: q+ to discuss RDFa /OR/ JSON ←
15:51:04 <manu> ack [IPc
Manu Sporny: ack [IPc ←
15:51:04 <Zakim> [IPcaller], you wanted to discuss RDFa /OR/ JSON
Zakim IRC Bot: [IPcaller], you wanted to discuss RDFa /OR/ JSON ←
15:51:05 <Steven> Action: Toby to post a writeup of JS/JSON/JSONP/CORS to list
ACTION: Toby to post a writeup of JS/JSON/JSONP/CORS to list ←
15:51:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Post a writeup of JS/JSON/JSONP/CORS to list [on Toby Inkster - due 2010-03-11].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-14 - Post a writeup of JS/JSON/JSONP/CORS to list [on Toby Inkster - due 2010-03-11]. ←
15:51:33 <ShaneM> ... I was opposed to that because it means an RDFa parser needs to understand multiple formats. But if it enables the javascript implementation, then it might be okay to support JSON.
... I was opposed to that because it means an RDFa parser needs to understand multiple formats. But if it enables the javascript implementation, then it might be okay to support JSON. ←
15:51:53 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:52:43 <ShaneM> manu: Feels that the server MUST support vocabularies in both formats. If what we are trying to do is make it easy for implementors, then we want to have an RDFa mechanism all the way through. The only reason is to have the JSON support is to help javascript implementations. However, that problem can also be solved via CORS. But CORS is not widely distributed yet.
Manu Sporny: Feels that the server MUST support vocabularies in both formats. If what we are trying to do is make it easy for implementors, then we want to have an RDFa mechanism all the way through. The only reason is to have the JSON support is to help javascript implementations. However, that problem can also be solved via CORS. But CORS is not widely distributed yet. ←
15:52:58 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:54:36 <manu> q+ to discuss RDFa API
Manu Sporny: q+ to discuss RDFa API ←
15:55:00 <ShaneM> ivan: Need to make things easy for authors. Implementors can work a little.
Ivan Herman: Need to make things easy for authors. Implementors can work a little. ←
15:55:01 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
15:55:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Knud (muted), RobW, Ivan, Benjamin, [IPcaller], mgylling, ShaneM, Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Knud (muted), RobW, Ivan, Benjamin, [IPcaller], mgylling, ShaneM, Steven ←
15:55:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see RobW, mgylling, Knud, manu, ShaneM, Benjamin, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, ivan, tinkster, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RobW, mgylling, Knud, manu, ShaneM, Benjamin, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, ivan, tinkster, trackbot ←
15:55:15 <Steven> zakim, [IP is manu
Steven Pemberton: zakim, [IP is manu ←
15:55:15 <Zakim> +manu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +manu; got it ←
15:55:59 <ShaneM> manu: If RDFa API works out or CORS takes off, then we don't need to worry about marking things up in JSONp
Manu Sporny: If RDFa API works out or CORS takes off, then we don't need to worry about marking things up in JSONp ←
15:56:30 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:56:43 <Steven> ack [IP
Steven Pemberton: ack [IP ←
15:56:43 <Zakim> [IPcaller], you wanted to discuss RDFa API
Zakim IRC Bot: [IPcaller], you wanted to discuss RDFa API ←
15:56:51 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:57:02 <ShaneM> manu: we need to get general agreement from Mark and Ben about what we discussed today.
Manu Sporny: we need to get general agreement from Mark and Ben about what we discussed today. ←
15:57:20 <ShaneM> ivan: Is it okay if we extend the vocab proposal so it includes prefix declarations too.
Ivan Herman: Is it okay if we extend the vocab proposal so it includes prefix declarations too. ←
15:57:23 <ShaneM> manu: sure
Manu Sporny: sure ←
15:57:33 <ShaneM> ivan: okay - will do that tomorrow and will put it in W3C space
Ivan Herman: okay - will do that tomorrow and will put it in W3C space ←
15:57:56 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
15:57:56 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
15:57:57 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:57:58 <Zakim> -mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling ←
15:58:04 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
15:58:08 <Zakim> -RobW
Zakim IRC Bot: -RobW ←
15:58:10 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
15:58:20 <Zakim> -manu
Zakim IRC Bot: -manu ←
15:58:22 <Zakim> -Knud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Knud ←
15:58:24 <Zakim> -Benjamin
Zakim IRC Bot: -Benjamin ←
15:58:28 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended ←
15:58:30 <Zakim> Attendees were Knud, +0785583aaaa, RobW, Ivan, Benjamin, [IPcaller], mgylling, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, manu
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Knud, +0785583aaaa, RobW, Ivan, Benjamin, [IPcaller], mgylling, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, manu ←
16:00:25 <manu> trackbot, help
Manu Sporny: trackbot, help ←
16:00:25 <trackbot> See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
Trackbot IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help ←
16:00:41 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:00:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/04-rdfa-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/04-rdfa-minutes.html ivan ←
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