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14:39:27 <manu> trackbot, start telecon
Manu Sporny: trackbot, start telecon ←
14:39:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
14:39:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 7332 ←
14:39:31 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 21 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 21 minutes ←
14:39:32 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
14:39:32 <trackbot> Date: 25 February 2010
14:39:52 <manu> Chair: Manu Sporny
14:39:57 <manu> Regrets: Ben Adida
14:41:05 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Feb/0073.html
14:41:22 <manu> Scribe: Shane McCarron
(Scribe set to Shane McCarron)
14:43:18 <manu> action-3 due in 1 week
Manu Sporny: ACTION-3 due in 1 week ←
14:43:18 <trackbot> ACTION-3 Get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142 due date now in 1 week
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-3 Get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142 due date now in 1 week ←
14:57:13 <manu> trackbot, status
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Manu Sporny: trackbot, status ←
14:58:53 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started ←
14:59:00 <Zakim> +Benjamin
Zakim IRC Bot: +Benjamin ←
14:59:02 <Zakim> +Knud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Knud ←
14:59:19 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:59:19 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
14:59:20 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
14:59:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:59:46 <manu> zakim, I am IPcaller
Manu Sporny: zakim, I am IPcaller ←
14:59:46 <Zakim> ok, manu, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, manu, I now associate you with [IPcaller] ←
15:00:28 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-work
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-work ←
15:00:28 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
15:00:29 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
15:00:39 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:00:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Benjamin, Knud, Ivan, [IPcaller], Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Benjamin, Knud, Ivan, [IPcaller], Steven ←
15:00:53 <Zakim> +mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling ←
15:00:59 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:01:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Benjamin, Knud, Ivan, [IPcaller], Steven, mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Benjamin, Knud, Ivan, [IPcaller], Steven, mgylling ←
15:01:17 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:01:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Benjamin, Knud, Ivan, [IPcaller], Steven, mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Benjamin, Knud, Ivan, [IPcaller], Steven, mgylling ←
15:01:42 <manu> trackbot, status
Manu Sporny: trackbot, status ←
15:01:59 <Zakim> + +1.978.692.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.978.692.aaaa ←
15:02:08 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, code? ←
15:02:08 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck ←
15:02:22 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
15:02:22 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
15:02:29 <manu> zakim, who is making noise?
Manu Sporny: zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:02:30 <Steven> zakim, [IP is Manu
Steven Pemberton: zakim, [IP is Manu ←
15:02:30 <Zakim> +Manu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Manu; got it ←
15:02:43 <Zakim> manu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (25%), mgylling (5%), Knud (10%)
Zakim IRC Bot: manu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (25%), mgylling (5%), Knud (10%) ←
15:02:44 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:02:55 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Manu (10%), mgylling (10%), Benjamin (9%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Manu (10%), mgylling (10%), Benjamin (9%) ←
15:03:07 <manu> zakim, mute mgylling
Manu Sporny: zakim, mute mgylling ←
15:03:07 <Zakim> mgylling should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: mgylling should now be muted ←
15:03:21 <Zakim> +Mark_Birbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: +Mark_Birbeck ←
15:03:30 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is noisy ←
15:03:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is noisy', Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is noisy', Steven ←
15:03:35 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:03:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Benjamin, Knud, Ivan (muted), Manu, Steven, mgylling (muted), +1.978.692.aaaa, Mark_Birbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Benjamin, Knud, Ivan (muted), Manu, Steven, mgylling (muted), +1.978.692.aaaa, Mark_Birbeck ←
15:03:37 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:03:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see markbirbeck, RobW, mgylling, Knud, RRSAgent, Zakim, manu, Steven, Benjamin, ivan, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see markbirbeck, RobW, mgylling, Knud, RRSAgent, Zakim, manu, Steven, Benjamin, ivan, trackbot ←
15:03:46 <manu> zakim, unmute mgylling
Manu Sporny: zakim, unmute mgylling ←
15:03:46 <Zakim> mgylling should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: mgylling should no longer be muted ←
15:03:47 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
15:03:47 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
15:03:47 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Manu (24%), Benjamin (14%), Knud (5%), Mark_Birbeck (5%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Manu (24%), Benjamin (14%), Knud (5%), Mark_Birbeck (5%) ←
15:04:00 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:04:01 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
15:04:10 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.978.692.aaaa (39%), Knud (39%), Mark_Birbeck (4%), ??P36 (8%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.978.692.aaaa (39%), Knud (39%), Mark_Birbeck (4%), ??P36 (8%) ←
15:04:12 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is RobW
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaaa is RobW ←
15:04:13 <Zakim> +RobW; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +RobW; got it ←
15:04:46 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:04:56 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Manu (39%), mgylling (8%), Knud (22%), Mark_Birbeck (33%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Manu (39%), mgylling (8%), Knud (22%), Mark_Birbeck (33%) ←
15:05:06 <manu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Feb/0073.html
Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Feb/0073.html ←
15:05:12 <Steven> zakim, mute knud temporarily
Steven Pemberton: zakim, mute knud temporarily ←
15:05:12 <Zakim> Knud should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Knud should now be muted ←
15:05:27 <Zakim> Knud should now be unmuted again
Zakim IRC Bot: Knud should now be unmuted again ←
15:05:36 <Steven> zakim, mute knud
Steven Pemberton: zakim, mute knud ←
15:05:36 <Zakim> Knud should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Knud should now be muted ←
15:06:03 <Steven> scribenick: markbirbeck
(Scribe set to Mark Birbeck)
15:06:21 <markbirbeck> Topic: Action items
15:06:34 <manu> action-3?
15:06:34 <trackbot> ACTION-3 -- Manu Sporny to get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142 -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-3 -- Manu Sporny to get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142 -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN ←
15:06:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/3
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/3 ←
15:06:54 <manu> trackbot, action-3 due in 1 week
Manu Sporny: trackbot, ACTION-3 due in 1 week ←
15:06:54 <trackbot> ACTION-3 Get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142 due date now in 1 week
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-3 Get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142 due date now in 1 week ←
15:07:05 <manu> action-4?
15:07:05 <trackbot> ACTION-4 -- Mark Birbeck to generate spec text for @token and @prefix -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-4 -- Mark Birbeck to generate spec text for @token and @prefix -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN ←
15:07:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/4
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/4 ←
15:07:10 <markbirbeck> http://webbackplane.com/mark-birbeck/blog/2010/02/vocabularies-token-bundles-profiles-rdfa
http://webbackplane.com/mark-birbeck/blog/2010/02/vocabularies-token-bundles-profiles-rdfa ←
15:07:30 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:08:08 <manu> trackbot, comment action-4 proposal at http://webbackplane.com/mark-birbeck/blog/2010/02/vocabularies-token-bundles-profiles-rdfa
Manu Sporny: trackbot, comment ACTION-4 proposal at http://webbackplane.com/mark-birbeck/blog/2010/02/vocabularies-token-bundles-profiles-rdfa ←
15:08:08 <trackbot> ACTION-4 Generate spec text for @token and @prefix notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-4 Generate spec text for @token and @prefix notes added ←
15:08:08 <Steven> ack i
Steven Pemberton: ack i ←
15:08:29 <markbirbeck> Ivan: Could we move the write-ups onto the wiki?
Ivan Herman: Could we move the write-ups onto the wiki? ←
15:09:56 <markbirbeck> Mark_Birbeck: Don't mind. It was more that it didn't work as an email.
Mark Birbeck: Don't mind. It was more that it didn't work as an email. ←
15:10:06 <manu> action-5?
15:10:06 <trackbot> ACTION-5 -- Mark Birbeck to generate spec text for pulling in external vocabulary documents -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-5 -- Mark Birbeck to generate spec text for pulling in external vocabulary documents -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN ←
15:10:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/5
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/5 ←
15:10:51 <manu> trackbot, action-4 due in 1 week
Manu Sporny: trackbot, ACTION-4 due in 1 week ←
15:10:51 <trackbot> ACTION-4 Generate spec text for @token and @prefix due date now in 1 week
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-4 Generate spec text for @token and @prefix due date now in 1 week ←
15:10:54 <manu> trackbot, action-5 due in 1 week
Manu Sporny: trackbot, ACTION-5 due in 1 week ←
15:10:54 <trackbot> ACTION-5 Generate spec text for pulling in external vocabulary documents due date now in 1 week
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-5 Generate spec text for pulling in external vocabulary documents due date now in 1 week ←
15:11:12 <manu> trackbot, close action-7
Manu Sporny: trackbot, close ACTION-7 ←
15:11:12 <trackbot> ACTION-7 Send Invited Expert proposals to Ivan closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-7 Send Invited Expert proposals to Ivan closed ←
15:11:25 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:12:11 <markbirbeck> Manu: Have proposed Toby Inkster and Benji.
Manu Sporny: Have proposed Toby Inkster and Benji. ←
15:12:52 <manu> ACTION: Manu to get Toby to fill out Invited Expert form.
ACTION: Manu to get Toby to fill out Invited Expert form. ←
15:12:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Get Toby to fill out Invited Expert form. [on Manu Sporny - due 2010-03-04].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-10 - Get Toby to fill out Invited Expert form. [on Manu Sporny - due 2010-03-04]. ←
15:12:56 <markbirbeck> ...Benji says he is too busy to take up the Invited Expert position. Also, he says that he wants large changes to RDFa, and doesn't see that happening.
...Benji says he is too busy to take up the Invited Expert position. Also, he says that he wants large changes to RDFa, and doesn't see that happening. ←
15:13:19 <markbirbeck> Ivan: Toby needs to fill in the IE form.
Ivan Herman: Toby needs to fill in the IE form. ←
15:13:26 <markbirbeck> Manu: Will chase.
Manu Sporny: Will chase. ←
15:14:19 <markbirbeck> Ivan: What should we do with the issues that Benjamin raised?
Ivan Herman: What should we do with the issues that Benjamin raised? ←
15:14:39 <manu> ISSUE-12?
15:14:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- Analyze Benji's wishlist and determine if there are suggestions that will improve RDFa -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-12 -- Analyze Benji's wishlist and determine if there are suggestions that will improve RDFa -- OPEN ←
15:14:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/12
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/12 ←
15:14:52 <markbirbeck> Manu: Think we should keep the issues. Any other views on that?
Manu Sporny: Think we should keep the issues. Any other views on that? ←
15:14:56 <ivan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2010Jan/0065.html
Ivan Herman: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2010Jan/0065.html ←
15:15:29 <markbirbeck> Manu: Can we discuss this on the list?
Manu Sporny: Can we discuss this on the list? ←
15:15:57 <markbirbeck> Ivan: Some of them are pretty substantial; change attribute names, harmonise with Microdata.
Ivan Herman: Some of them are pretty substantial; change attribute names, harmonise with Microdata. ←
15:16:44 <markbirbeck> Manu: Agree, but the action is to look at the suggestions and see what might be used from there.
Manu Sporny: Agree, but the action is to look at the suggestions and see what might be used from there. ←
15:18:31 <markbirbeck> q+
q+ ←
15:18:36 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:18:38 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:18:51 <manu> ack markbirbeck
Manu Sporny: ack markbirbeck ←
15:19:36 <manu> Mark_Birbeck: Maybe we should re-visit ISSUE-12 in a couple of weeks.
Mark Birbeck: Maybe we should re-visit ISSUE-12 in a couple of weeks. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:20:06 <manu> action-8?
15:20:06 <trackbot> ACTION-8 -- Shane McCarron to coordinate with the PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa -- due 2010-02-26 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-8 -- Shane McCarron to coordinate with the PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa -- due 2010-02-26 -- OPEN ←
15:20:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/8
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/8 ←
15:20:39 <Knud> (did we talk about Action-6?)
Knud Möller: (did we talk about ACTION-6?) ←
15:21:24 <manu> ISSUE: Coordinate with PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa
ISSUE: Coordinate with PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa ←
15:21:24 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-17 - Coordinate with PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/17/edit .
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-17 - Coordinate with PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/17/edit . ←
15:21:44 <markbirbeck> Shane: RDFa needs a way for other groups to be able to add attributes and elements to the list.
Shane McCarron: RDFa needs a way for other groups to be able to add attributes and elements to the list. ←
15:21:54 <markbirbeck> s/to the list/to the list of supported attributes/
s/to the list/to the list of supported attributes/ ←
15:22:27 <manu> trackbot, drop action-8
Manu Sporny: trackbot, drop ACTION-8 ←
15:22:27 <trackbot> Sorry, manu, I don't understand 'trackbot, drop action-8'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, manu, I don't understand 'trackbot, drop ACTION-8'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help ←
15:22:32 <manu> trackbot, close action-8
Manu Sporny: trackbot, close ACTION-8 ←
15:22:32 <trackbot> ACTION-8 Coordinate with the PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-8 Coordinate with the PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa closed ←
15:22:57 <manu> trackbot, comment action-8 Closed action in favor of creating as ISSUE-17
Manu Sporny: trackbot, comment ACTION-8 Closed action in favor of creating as ISSUE-17 ←
15:22:58 <trackbot> ACTION-8 Coordinate with the PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-8 Coordinate with the PFWG on @role and how @role integrates with RDFa notes added ←
15:23:41 <Steven> Yay! RDFa stylesheets!
Steven Pemberton: Yay! RDFa stylesheets! ←
15:24:05 <manu> action-6?
15:24:05 <trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Shane McCarron to identify the requirements for html2ps and see about getting reSpec to support them -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-6 -- Shane McCarron to identify the requirements for html2ps and see about getting reSpec to support them -- due 2010-02-24 -- OPEN ←
15:24:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/6
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/6 ←
15:24:16 <markbirbeck> Shane: Will write up a proposal on how other people might indicate in documents that other attributes are supported.
Shane McCarron: Will write up a proposal on how other people might indicate in documents that other attributes are supported. ←
15:24:21 <manu> trackbot, close action-6
Manu Sporny: trackbot, close ACTION-6 ←
15:24:21 <trackbot> ACTION-6 Identify the requirements for html2ps and see about getting reSpec to support them closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-6 Identify the requirements for html2ps and see about getting reSpec to support them closed ←
15:24:34 <manu> trackbot, comment action-6 it works.
Manu Sporny: trackbot, comment ACTION-6 it works. ←
15:24:34 <trackbot> ACTION-6 Identify the requirements for html2ps and see about getting reSpec to support them notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-6 Identify the requirements for html2ps and see about getting reSpec to support them notes added ←
15:24:57 <markbirbeck> Topic: Review High-level Work Plan
15:25:00 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/Work-plan
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/Work-plan ←
15:25:42 <markbirbeck> Manu: Very high level proposal on the wiki.
Manu Sporny: Very high level proposal on the wiki. ←
15:26:17 <markbirbeck> ...On the API document we have Benjamin Adrian.
...On the API document we have Benjamin Adrian. ←
15:26:29 <markbirbeck> ...We probably need other editors -- anyone?
...We probably need other editors -- anyone? ←
15:26:40 <Steven> q+
Steven Pemberton: q+ ←
15:26:41 <markbirbeck> q+
q+ ←
15:27:01 <manu> ack steven
Manu Sporny: ack steven ←
15:27:40 <markbirbeck> Steven: Ben has experience of working on APIs -- would seem an obvious choice.
Steven Pemberton: Ben has experience of working on APIs -- would seem an obvious choice. ←
15:27:43 <manu> ack markbirbeck
Manu Sporny: ack markbirbeck ←
15:27:43 <manu> scribenick: manu
(Scribe set to Manu Sporny)
15:28:03 <manu> Mark_Birbeck: I was going to offer my services - I've been working on a Javascript library, so I'm interested.
Mark Birbeck: I was going to offer my services - I've been working on a Javascript library, so I'm interested. ←
15:28:32 <manu> Mark_Birbeck: Jenni Tennison has a slightly different notion about the API - sits on top of SPARQL. We may try to harmonize with that work.
Mark Birbeck: Jenni Tennison has a slightly different notion about the API - sits on top of SPARQL. We may try to harmonize with that work. ←
15:29:08 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:29:52 <manu> Mark_Birbeck: Do we want this in a separate document?
Mark Birbeck: Do we want this in a separate document? ←
15:29:55 <manu> ack Ivan
ack Ivan ←
15:27:43 <manu> scribenick: markbirbeck
(Scribe set to Mark Birbeck)
15:30:27 <markbirbeck> Mark_Birbeck: Experience of XForms WG is that if we have 'owners' of work, it tends to create a little fragmentation in the spec.
Mark Birbeck: Experience of XForms WG is that if we have 'owners' of work, it tends to create a little fragmentation in the spec. ←
15:30:53 <markbirbeck> Ivan: True that it's separate in the charter, but might not be a problem to change our minds later. So can defer this.
Ivan Herman: True that it's separate in the charter, but might not be a problem to change our minds later. So can defer this. ←
15:31:07 <manu> q+ to discuss taking the discussion to the mailing list.
Manu Sporny: q+ to discuss taking the discussion to the mailing list. ←
15:31:32 <markbirbeck> Mark_Birbeck: Fine.
Mark Birbeck: Fine. ←
15:32:34 <markbirbeck> Manu: Could move this to the mailing-list.
Manu Sporny: Could move this to the mailing-list. ←
15:32:39 <ivan> ack manu
Ivan Herman: ack manu ←
15:32:39 <Zakim> Manu, you wanted to discuss taking the discussion to the mailing list.
Zakim IRC Bot: Manu, you wanted to discuss taking the discussion to the mailing list. ←
15:33:26 <markbirbeck> s/Jenni/Jeni/
s/Jenni/Jeni/ ←
15:33:36 <Steven> q+
Steven Pemberton: q+ ←
15:33:56 <manu> ack steven
Manu Sporny: ack steven ←
15:34:01 <markbirbeck> s/different notion about the API/different API that is related/
s/different notion about the API/different API that is related/ ←
15:34:35 <Knud> q+
Knud Möller: q+ ←
15:34:42 <markbirbeck> Steven: How were people assigned to issues? Randomly?
Steven Pemberton: How were people assigned to issues? Randomly? ←
15:34:45 <manu> ack knud
Manu Sporny: ack knud ←
15:34:46 <Knud> I'm muted
Knud Möller: I'm muted ←
15:35:02 <markbirbeck> Manu: No. I tried to look at issues and who had the skills to address them.
Manu Sporny: No. I tried to look at issues and who had the skills to address them. ←
15:35:09 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:35:29 <markbirbeck> ...I may have failed, so please comment on whether you think you should be dealing with an issue (and of course, if not).
...I may have failed, so please comment on whether you think you should be dealing with an issue (and of course, if not). ←
15:35:35 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:35:36 <Steven> zakim, mute knud
Steven Pemberton: zakim, mute knud ←
15:35:37 <Zakim> Knud should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Knud should now be muted ←
15:35:48 <markbirbeck> Knud: What is the Triple Store API about?
Knud Möller: What is the Triple Store API about? ←
15:36:07 <markbirbeck> Manu: I assigned you because I thought your name came up on that.
Manu Sporny: I assigned you because I thought your name came up on that. ←
15:36:26 <manu> q+ to explain that RDFa triplestore API is /not/ a required piece of work.
Manu Sporny: q+ to explain that RDFa triplestore API is /not/ a required piece of work. ←
15:36:42 <markbirbeck> Ivan: The idea is that rather than having an RDFa-specific API, we could look at something more generic.
Ivan Herman: The idea is that rather than having an RDFa-specific API, we could look at something more generic. ←
15:37:19 <markbirbeck> zakim, mute me
zakim, mute me ←
15:37:19 <Zakim> Mark_Birbeck should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Mark_Birbeck should now be muted ←
15:37:29 <manu> q-
Manu Sporny: q- ←
15:37:51 <manu> zakim, unmute knud
Manu Sporny: zakim, unmute knud ←
15:37:51 <Zakim> Knud should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Knud should no longer be muted ←
15:38:10 <markbirbeck> ...but it's not a required piece of work.
...but it's not a required piece of work. ←
15:38:20 <markbirbeck> Knud: So it's not a generic API, but a JavaScript one?
Knud Möller: So it's not a generic API, but a JavaScript one? ←
15:38:26 <markbirbeck> Ivan: Yes, that's right.
Ivan Herman: Yes, that's right. ←
15:38:31 <manu> zakim, mute knud
Manu Sporny: zakim, mute knud ←
15:38:31 <Zakim> Knud should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Knud should now be muted ←
15:39:26 <markbirbeck> Ivan: If there are documents that we'd like to be involved in, but not as lead editor, what should we do?
Ivan Herman: If there are documents that we'd like to be involved in, but not as lead editor, what should we do? ←
15:39:36 <markbirbeck> Manu: Go ahead and add yourself to the end of the list.
Manu Sporny: Go ahead and add yourself to the end of the list. ←
15:39:55 <markbirbeck> Topic: ISSUE-2: Extend RDFa to allow URIs in all RDFa attributes
15:39:57 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/2
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/2 ←
15:40:00 <manu> ISSUE-2?
15:40:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-2 -- Extend RDFa to allow URIs in all RDFa attributes -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-2 -- Extend RDFa to allow URIs in all RDFa attributes -- OPEN ←
15:40:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/2
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/2 ←
15:42:12 <markbirbeck> Manu: The RDFa TF discussed and voted to support 'URIs anywhere'.
Manu Sporny: The RDFa TF discussed and voted to support 'URIs anywhere'. ←
15:42:19 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:42:26 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:42:27 <markbirbeck> ...We need to decide whether we will bring that proposal in.
...We need to decide whether we will bring that proposal in. ←
15:42:59 <markbirbeck> Ivan: Might be worth setting the context.
Ivan Herman: Might be worth setting the context. ←
15:43:20 <markbirbeck> zakim, unmute me
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15:43:39 <manu> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2010/ED-rdfa-syntax-20100113/
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2010/ED-rdfa-syntax-20100113/ ←
15:43:51 <manu> That's the latest text.
Manu Sporny: That's the latest text. ←
15:43:20 <markbirbeck> scribenick: manu
(Scribe set to Manu Sporny)
15:44:01 <manu> Mark_Birbeck: The key thing is that
Mark Birbeck: The key thing is that ←
15:44:22 <manu> ... realization that after working on CURIEs and URIs is that you could tell the difference between a CURIE and a URI
... realization that after working on CURIEs and URIs is that you could tell the difference between a CURIE and a URI ←
15:44:49 <manu> ... basically, if there is a prefix, it's a CURIE
... basically, if there is a prefix, it's a CURIE ←
15:44:59 <manu> ... if there isn't a prefix, it's a URI.
... if there isn't a prefix, it's a URI. ←
15:45:19 <manu> i/Mark_Birbeck: The key thing is that/scribenick: manu
i/Mark_Birbeck: The key thing is that/scribenick: manu ←
15:45:48 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:45:53 <manu> Mark_Birbeck: The motivation for this is that for small pieces of markup, it allows one to just use URIs instead of defining a ton of namespace prefix mappings.
Mark Birbeck: The motivation for this is that for small pieces of markup, it allows one to just use URIs instead of defining a ton of namespace prefix mappings. ←
15:46:32 <manu> Mark_Birbeck: It also allows easy cut-and-paste, which is a more overstated problem than it really is, but if you're concerned about that, this goes toward solving that issue.
Mark Birbeck: It also allows easy cut-and-paste, which is a more overstated problem than it really is, but if you're concerned about that, this goes toward solving that issue. ←
15:46:55 <manu> Ivan: This is a fairly trivial implementation.
Ivan Herman: This is a fairly trivial implementation. ←
15:47:02 <markbirbeck> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Nov/0081.html
Mark Birbeck: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Nov/0081.html ←
15:47:12 <manu> Ivan: separate issue, how will this change affect values for @resource and @about?
Ivan Herman: separate issue, how will this change affect values for @resource and @about? ←
15:47:34 <manu> Ivan: @resource and @about are defined to have URIs or Safe CURIEs, but with the same logic, we can unify all attributes.
Ivan Herman: @resource and @about are defined to have URIs or Safe CURIEs, but with the same logic, we can unify all attributes. ←
15:48:08 <manu> Ivan: let me explain with some markup
Ivan Herman: let me explain with some markup ←
15:48:15 <ivan> xmlns="a:xxxxx" resource="a:something"
Ivan Herman: xmlns="a:xxxxx" resource="a:something" ←
15:49:13 <manu> Mark_Birbeck: We were warned off of doing that in @href, so that's why we don't support it in @resource.
Mark Birbeck: We were warned off of doing that in @href, so that's why we don't support it in @resource. ←
15:49:28 <ShaneM> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/rdfawg/rdfa-core/
Shane McCarron: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/rdfawg/rdfa-core/ ←
15:49:48 <manu> Ivan: We shouldn't touch @href and @src
Ivan Herman: We shouldn't touch @href and @src ←
15:49:48 <manu> scribenick: markbirbeck
(Scribe set to Mark Birbeck)
15:50:57 <markbirbeck> Mark_Birbeck: We now use the token 'URIorCURIEs' in the spec, which means it will be everywhere.
Mark Birbeck: We now use the token 'URIorCURIEs' in the spec, which means it will be everywhere. ←
15:51:07 <markbirbeck> Shane: Yes, it's already done.
Shane McCarron: Yes, it's already done. ←
15:51:25 <markbirbeck> Manu: We don't need to agree the solution here, we just need to vote on whether we want this.
Manu Sporny: We don't need to agree the solution here, we just need to vote on whether we want this. ←
15:51:46 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to suggest short names for each working group deliverable by 1 March 2010
ACTION: Shane to suggest short names for each working group deliverable by 1 March 2010 ←
15:51:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Suggest short names for each working group deliverable by 1 March 2010 [on Shane McCarron - due 2010-03-04].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-11 - Suggest short names for each working group deliverable by 1 March 2010 [on Shane McCarron - due 2010-03-04]. ←
15:52:03 <markbirbeck> ...Any other questions on this? Would people feel comfortable doing a staw-poll now?
...Any other questions on this? Would people feel comfortable doing a staw-poll now? ←
15:53:08 <manu> PROPOSAL: Add support for full URIs in RDFa attributes where CURIEs are allowed.
PROPOSED: Add support for full URIs in RDFa attributes where CURIEs are allowed. ←
15:53:31 <manu> PROPOSAL: Add support for full URIs in RDFa attributes..
PROPOSED: Add support for full URIs in RDFa attributes.. ←
15:53:42 <manu> PROPOSAL: Add support for full URIs in RDFa attributes, barring @href and @src.
PROPOSED: Add support for full URIs in RDFa attributes, barring @href and @src. ←
15:54:03 <Steven> href has full URIs alrady
Steven Pemberton: href has full URIs alrady ←
15:54:34 <markbirbeck> PROPOSAL: Allow both URIs and CURIEs in all RDFa attributes, except @href and @src.
PROPOSED: Allow both URIs and CURIEs in all RDFa attributes, except @href and @src. ←
15:54:38 <ivan> PROPOSAL: for all attributes, except @href and @src, both CURIE and URI-s can be used, with priority to the former
PROPOSED: for all attributes, except @href and @src, both CURIE and URI-s can be used, with priority to the former ←
15:56:34 <manu> PROPOSAL: Allow both URIs and CURIEs in all RDFa attributes, except @href and @src.
PROPOSED: Allow both URIs and CURIEs in all RDFa attributes, except @href and @src. ←
15:56:38 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:56:39 <Steven> +1
Steven Pemberton: +1 ←
15:56:41 <ShaneM> +1
Shane McCarron: +1 ←
15:56:41 <markbirbeck> +1
+1 ←
15:56:42 <RobW> +1
Robert Weir: +1 ←
15:56:43 <manu> +1
Manu Sporny: +1 ←
15:56:45 <mgylling> +1
Markus Gylling: +1 ←
15:56:47 <Benjamin> +1
Benjamin Adrian: +1 ←
15:56:48 <Knud> +1
Knud Möller: +1 ←
15:56:59 <manu> RESOLUTION: Allow both URIs and CURIEs in all RDFa attributes, except @href and @src.
RESOLVED: Allow both URIs and CURIEs in all RDFa attributes, except @href and @src. ←
15:57:06 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:57:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/25-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/25-rdfa-minutes.html Steven ←
15:57:21 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:57:27 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:58:45 <markbirbeck> Topic: Ensuring RDFa WG Resolutions are Reflected in HTML+RDFa
15:58:49 <ShaneM> and I will have a draft RDFa Core document by Monday
Shane McCarron: and I will have a draft RDFa Core document by Monday ←
15:59:13 <markbirbeck> Ivan: How do resolutions such as this work their way into the HTML 5 version of the draft?
Ivan Herman: How do resolutions such as this work their way into the HTML 5 version of the draft? ←
15:59:14 <markbirbeck> Manu: In 3-4 months, after we publish RDFa Core 1.1, HTML+RDFa will normatively refer to RDFa Core 1.1. Because it normatively refers to RDFa Core 1.1, the resolution we just passed will be included by reference in HTML+RDFa (and thus, be valid in XHTML+RDFa, HTML4+RDFa and HTML5+RDFa markup).
Manu Sporny: In 3-4 months, after we publish RDFa Core 1.1, HTML+RDFa will normatively refer to RDFa Core 1.1. Because it normatively refers to RDFa Core 1.1, the resolution we just passed will be included by reference in HTML+RDFa (and thus, be valid in XHTML+RDFa, HTML4+RDFa and HTML5+RDFa markup). ←
15:59:16 <manu> ISSUE-11?
15:59:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-11 -- Determine if there is a subset of popular prefix declarations that should be enabled in all RDFa Processors -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-11 -- Determine if there is a subset of popular prefix declarations that should be enabled in all RDFa Processors -- OPEN ←
15:59:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/11
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/11 ←
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