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<scribe> scribe: Andi
<scribe> chair: Cynthia
AS: 4.7 Actions, 4.8 Events, and 5.0 Special Document Processing need the most work
CS: is WAI-ARIA working to a target date?
AS: no - have to process
comments
... got about 50 new comments or disagreement with disposition
of comments on previous LC draft.
CS: April would be the soonest?
Seems doable but do have SXSW in March.
... May seems more doable. Can work on these sections in a
concentrated way the first two weeks of May.
AS: maybe we should split up the work into smaller pieces to get started before May.
<scribe> ACTION: all to read UAIG front to back [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/09-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: Andi to review all bugs and prioritize the ones that impact the Actions, Events, and Special Document sections [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/09-aapi-minutes.html#action02]
<scribe> ACTION: Andi to review all bugs and prioritize the ones that we have not dealt with yet at all in the UAIG. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/09-aapi-minutes.html#action03]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-wai-aria-implementation-20091215/#document-handling_author-errors
issue 97: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/97
AS: we added a table of defaults when required states/properties not provided
DB: at an abstract level, are we adding attributes to the DOM that aren't there.
CS: was thinking we were just adding attributes to the accessibility API.
DB: so we're saying the UA should act as if the ARIA attributes were provided but not modify the DOM
<scribe> ACTION: Andi to create a bug to clarify the text around supplying default values for required properties that were not provided [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/09-aapi-minutes.html#action04]
DB: something like "behave as if
the following default values were provided"
... then issue 97 should be closable
http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-wai-aria-implementation-20091215/#document-handling_author-errors
issue 98 (http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/98) and 99 (http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/99)
text at top of 5.3 addresses this - close these
issue 107: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/107
section 4.8.2 currently discusses node changes
DB: would make sense as a caution or alert but don't know if we do that in W3C documents
CS: could add paragraph after the two bullets that discuss node changes
issue 108: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/108
http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-wai-aria-implementation-20091215/#document-handling_author-errors
http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-wai-aria-implementation-20091215/#mapping_general
CS: this is about ID's on the
accessible tree nodes
... could add a bullet to the list in section 4.1
... up to the user agent to get this right and authors should
be free of having to worry about it
DB: not sure we need to say
anything
... if others do, I'm fine with that.
CS: every node in the accessibility tree has an ID
DB: in MSAA, you have a bunch of data that specifies an accessible object - use ID to communicate with AT
CS: maybe something about managing IDs in the accessibility tree is the responsibility of the UA, not the author
<scribe> ACTION: David to talk to Rich for clarification on issue 108 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/09-aapi-minutes.html#action05]
issue 115: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/115
http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-wai-aria-implementation-20091215/#mapping_role
addressed by bullet 4 in the 4.4 Role Mapping
close issue 115 and refer to this section
issue 359: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/359
CS: in API mappings, it would go
in description field
... valid issue - should deal with before our next draft
DB: think this is AT issue
CS: if aria-describedby points to a big chunk of HTML, how would you pass that in a description field
DB: don't know if we're going to be able to do this for ARIA 1.0
CS: maybe something like "UAs MAY provide a way for the user to navigate to an associated describedby and ATs SHOULD provide such a method."
DB: think this is a good idea but think it would require platform API changes
CS: it's the sort of thing ATs
do.
... useful for anyone to be able to do
DB: example in e-mail - image that is described by a data grid
CS: AT could navigate it
DB: not sure how AT would know where to do
close this issue with text such as Cynthia suggested above.
issue 379: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/379
CS: don't think we can get IE to change implementation
DB: would rather change implementation than have diverging ones
AS: Apple would disagree with implementing this the way IE has done it
DB: do we even need it in the spec?
CS: the IE implementation is per
the advice of the MSAA inventors
... conflict caused by IA2
... concept of relationships that are other than the tree
relationships doesn't exist in MSAA
... IA2 has the concept of additional relationships
... doesn't map well to MSAA or UIA
... pretty sure there's no way in UIA to expose the
relationship
DB: think maybe it shouldn't
belong in the spec
... is anyone using this?
CS: would recommend restructuring HTML so you don't need aria-owns
DB: it's in jquery
CS: that means it's
everywhere
... specific to one accessibility API - so may not make sense
to have it in ARIA at all
DB: would have to argue that the accessibility forecast is worse if we continue with diverging implementations
CS: two of the major APIs don't have this
DB: ATK has a way of exposing any kind of relationship
CS: not sure about Apple
DB: sounds like they do
CS: exists already in IE8 - will
be around for a long time
... can ask for feature in UIA but don't think would get
it
<scribe> ACTION: David and Cynthia to take the issue of aria-owns to the ARIA TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/09-aapi-minutes.html#action06]
<davidb> atk relations: http://library.gnome.org/devel/atk/unstable/AtkRelation.html#AtkRelationType
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