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<trackbot> Date: 03 February 2010
<eschnou> we are trying to call in (eschnou and alardw) but get disconnected..
<hhalpin> MacTed or Yoshi?
<hhalpin> Thanks yoshi!
<hhalpin> hhalpin: saying stuff
<caribou> Scribe: yoshiaki
<hhalpin> \me when you don't want to retype the name, just type ... blah blah
<hhalpin> ... more stuff
<hhalpin> PROPOSED: to approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 27 January 2010 as a true record
<AnitaD> I can try
<hhalpin> APPROVED: SWXG WG Weekly -- 27 January 2010 as a true record
who is speaking now?
<rreck> +1 meet again
hhalpin: next agenda is micropayment.
<hhalpin> APPROVED: meeting again Wed. February 10th: Micropayments
<hhalpin> Doug Schepers and Manu Sporny
<hhalpin> we're skipping to get straight to talk
hhalpin: I am working at mailing list and know many kinds of works of social web.
Eschnow: I quickly explain my
... distirbuted social web is work well for everyone.
... how we look social web is identify openID, acitivity streams,,,,
... realize social web requires identity, security, and etc.
... there's no clear solution and old technologies is not enough.
... all elements of XMPP is related to social profile and exchange social activities.
... we make people in touch with each other
Eschnow: we wrote source code by the end of the March and open it.
<tpa> The screenlast link at the bottom does not work
<tpa> 404s on Github
<alardw> Link to website: http://onesocialweb.org/index-live.html
Eschnow: screencast is server
... one social web service to web client
... screencast is one instance of server for any social network to show timeline.
... push to all client server
... i post my activities with one distributed identfier like XMPP and other
... we define in activity streams xml name space and we can provide data model and name space.
cperey: do you extend XMPP and activity streams/
Eschnou: yes. we want to XMPP
community welcome our extension.
... we respect each data models, activity streams; compact model and others.
hhalpin: we want to ask use
... with XMPP and data models you do not need http, smtp.
... for web application, diffent kind of interection model, very interesting
... question about privacy control
Eschnou: you can be public and
privately update status.
... you can pinpoint tag people for access control
... you can control access of everyone.
<hhalpin> there are some interesting standards for tags
hhalpin: you repeatedly refer tag.
<hhalpin> so the tag is the way of doing access control - good idea!
<hhalpin> I'll get CommonTag and TagCommons on a future telecon
Eschnou: we develop tagging apis
<Zakim> tpa, you wanted to comment on Privacy filters, Implementation constraints (I can wait a while)
<hhalpin> will get Peter on the call...
<hhalpin> to deal with tag ambiguity
<hhalpin> i.e. if two different people use the same tag for access
tpa: what kind of protocol
... each social application use different protocol
Eschnou: there is transport protocol, example is activity stereams.
<hhalpin> thanks for opensourcing this!
Eschnou: write xml perser for activity streams and java editor.
<bblfish> interesting to compare this with P2P preso by Kalman Graffi http://is.gd/7CMm at Dagstuhl last week, which is also a P2P java based system
<hhalpin> does that count gmail? the 100 million number
Eschnou: XMPP activities use
... open fire bloging.
<melvster> i run an openfire server, ill see if i can run this ...
Eschnou: XMPP is easy to build
... open stack helps us to access other social application's data.
<bblfish> sorry should have been http://is.gd/7CMm7
carine: you mension some access control language
<bblfish> so: P2P preso by Kalman Graffi http://is.gd/7CMm7
Eschnou: there is XML base access
control but it is too complex.
... most of element of protcol is not mature, so we want feedback.
claudio: question about android version
Eschnou: we are wainting the
platform get to be stable.
... Android's architecture is different from iPhone.
... XMPP runs stable on android and use less battery power.
hhalpin: what's your feeling
about of future of standard XMPP based?
... do you found XMPP foundation, or collaborate with W3C?
Eschnou: most of use case needs
... google wave shows us XMPP is application.
... google wave has very simple protocol.
... XMPP and activity stream change social application.
<bblfish> access control on wave is very difficult
Eschnou: but we don't want to
users type their status.
... google has not propose security of wave's client
... server have to no data in servers.
... google wave is not centralize.
... all the data together in one server or another. all your activities, all your media asset is aggregated in the server.
... you can download source code for server, and use outside of the internet.
... you can keep several server and each server can be used for different usage.
bblfish: Question about P2P
... when document exchange, is document duplicated?
bblfish: when requesting
document, we have layer for document exchange?
... http or smtp is basic system? and how is semantics?
eschnou: semantics is needed in application layer.
bblfish: XMPP is http P2P system?
eschnou: there is fantastic conversation in public mailing list.
<melvster> question: should we cross post to the onesocialweb mailing list?
<cperey> where is the One Social Web mailing list?
<melvster> one social web mailing list
melvster: question about high level principle of social web
<bblfish> So the first part was to compare three systems HTTP, XMPP, P2P based mentioned above.
<bblfish> All three have the following elements:
<bblfish> - a document exchange protocol
<bblfish> - a syntax (or more in the case of HTTP) for exchanging docs
<bblfish> - semantics associated with the docs
<alardw> thanks everyone would there be any further questions please ping us
<bblfish> ( - and behavior associated with message requests )
hhalpin: we have to re-schedule
agenda about micropayment.
... and other agenda
<bblfish> from this an intersting point comes up: that at least the semantics between XMPP, HTTP, and other systems can be agreed upon
<rreck> thanks for presenting
<bblfish> ie, any social networking service should be able to interoperate at the semantic layer
<DKA> Thanks all!
<eschnou> thanks everyone for the questions and feedback !
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