<hugo> anne: yes, the qualified name of the WHATWG HTML5 will be ::dom (equivalent to ::org::w3c::dom)
<hugo> while we were at HTTP, there's a bug in cvsweb (at least in the version W3C is running) - removing "%20" from that URL results in wrong encoding
<MikeSmithX> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Date: 07 January 2010
<anne> i cannot dial in today unfortunately
<anne> and also not for the next three weeks
<anne> while I'm at it...
<mjs> hi everyone
<cardona507> hi
<scribe> scribe: rubys
maciej: I have a bonus item that will be covered at the end of the agenda
plh: the psig met yesterday, and
will be preparing a question for the AC
... some question about whether the MIT license was the most
appropriate, some suggested the Apache license.
... new target, end of this month
action-29 due 28 Jan
<trackbot> ACTION-29 Follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring due date now 28 Jan
<cardona507> what other wgs?
maciej: I've still not sent this out, move it out by two weeks
action-127 due 21 jan
<trackbot> ACTION-127 establish process for "official WG response" to other WG's RFC on LC drafts due date now 21 jan
<masinter> action-127?
<trackbot> ACTION-127 -- Maciej Stachowiak to establish process for "official WG response" to other WG's RFC on LC drafts -- due 2010-01-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/127
mjs: [describes action item]
Action-158?
<trackbot> ACTION-158 -- Steve Faulkner to bring question to group: Do we want changing of element handler and role semantics via attributes to be deprecated? -- due 2009-12-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/158
mjs: I'm not happy with setting a new date with Steve present, will check with him offline
cynthia: the task force has discussed this
mjs: will check with steve and the TF offline
Roy to take over this action, will revisit next week
mike: I think there already is a component
<masinter> action-162?
<trackbot> ACTION-162 -- Michael(tm) Smith to bug tracker for web site? -- due 2010-01-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/162
mjs: that's fine, if it is there, we can close the action
<plh> "HTML WG website"
mjs: component is html-wg-website
close action-162
<trackbot> ACTION-162 Bug tracker for web site? closed
<masinter> closing action should have pointer to resolution in action item?
<masinter> Could someone add a note to Action-162 pointing to the reason why it was closed.... the location of the tracker for the web site isn't in the minutes.
mike: new wiki is setup, but the
conversion has not been done
... We shouldn't put new content into it until the migration is
complete
action-163 due 14 jan
<trackbot> ACTION-163 MediaWiki successor for current MoinMoin based wiki due date now 14 jan
<masinter> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/162?changelog doesn't even show who closed the issue or why it was closed
<paulc> see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jan/0214.html
<masinter> yes, agree, move on
paulc: I think my emails and links are completely clear
close action-166
<trackbot> ACTION-166 Recheck status of issues 10 and 73 closed
mjs: larry has incorporated feedback from the chairs. Any questions or comments?
larry: the proposal changed substantially based on comments from the mailing list
<Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/longdesc
mjs: updated by charles based on feedback, and posted on the wiki
<masinter> there are more comments on the ISSUE-4 change proposal that continue to need discussion
mjs: any questions or comments?
larry: this also affects versioning based on elements and attributes that were on HTML4 vs what is in HTML5
mjs: we need to look at concrete issues
<masinter> issue-88?
<trackbot> ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88
mjs: roy has volunteered, new due date 21 jan
ISSUE-74 (canvas-accessibility) due Jan 16 (ACTION-133 on Richard Schwerdtfeger)
mjs: new date end of february
Larry: I saw something in the IETF dealing with dublin core use of meta keywords
Julian: a specification that used to be in the IETF has moved to the dublin core group
larry: it might be useful to link that to the issue
mjs: send an email to the list
<Julian> http://dublincore.org/documents/dc-html/
mjs: all that is needed is a writeup, and I feel that there is good progress
<paulc> Issue 27: See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jan/0215.html
mjs: any questions or comments?
larry: I wonder if we should have an action to talk to the dublin core group
mjs: volunteer?
larry: I'll send an email
action on larry to send an email to the dublin core group
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on
action larry to send an email to the dublin core group
<trackbot> Created ACTION-169 - Send an email to the dublin core group [on Larry Masinter - due 2010-01-14].
julian: ...open issues on profile...
[unintelligable]
<cardona507> yeah
<masinter> wasn't clear about the commitment to publish these as working group product
the tag is ok with closing both of these tomorrow, with the request that Mike's document be published in a non-normative manner and with the addition of a schema
mjs: for a document to go to last call, we need a working group decision, and we can't do that without the actual document
larry: the wg is committed to html5, why can't it commit to Mike's document?
mjs: there is a charter commitment for html5
larry: I'm trying to figure out where the commitment lies
mjs: For us to make a decision, we need a resolution; I would rather do that with a concrete document rather than an hypothetical
larry: then the issue should remain open
mjs: the agreement is for a
non-normative document
... we can take this offline. Feel free to object on the
mailing
larry: do you understand the point?
mjs: I'm not sure I do, but lets take it offline
<Zakim> Julian, you wanted to say that Roy volunteered to work on a proposal for ISSUE-81 once other issues are resolved
mjs: none, but as the buglist is cleared, I expect some to surface; everybody please monitor the bugs you care about
mike: we had a meeting just before this one, I'll post a link to the minutes
<krisk> 6 Month Testing Task Force Conf call dates posted -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Jan/0000.html
mike: video did not make much progress over the holidays, but canvas should have something to report in a few weeks
<krisk> I expect that this month we will start to have tests submitted into the w3c CVS server.
mjs: bonus item: WG decision on Microdata will be published today
<Laura> Accessibility Task Force Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/07-html-a11y-minutes.html
<MikeSmithX> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0108.html <- minutes of a11y TF
larry: on the url bug, I expect that issue-56 will have to go forward
mjs: adjourned
<cardona507> thanks everyone
<Laura> bye
trackbot, publish minutes
<trackbot> Sorry, rubys, I don't understand 'trackbot, publish minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
<krisk> bye
rrsagend, publish minutes
<masinter> the problems in issue-56 are editorial, not technical disagreement, so some help would be useful
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